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Second line center

Created by: Wildwinswhen
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 7, 2022
Published: Feb. 7, 2022
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I'm looking at all of these top line guys and we can't afford to pay any of them next year or their next contract... JT Miller, Giroux, Hertl, Barkov... It's just not going to happen. If it does GMBG is wayy smarter than me (likely) and I'll stop making teams (unlikely).

Instead, we need the second tier guys who we can afford to pay next year. I considered Travis Boyd, Sean Kuraly, and Travis Laughton. But I settled on Boyd because I figured we were most likely to get him without giving up the current roster.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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Why not pay the same price for Schmaltz who isn't a rental? Other than cap purposes... which I guess may be the reason? Parise and Suter buyouts hurt next year
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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Not sure if this is satire (probably is), but you can drop that first round pick.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Wadejos123
Why not pay the same price for Schmaltz who isn't a rental? Other than cap purposes... which I guess may be the reason? Parise and Suter buyouts hurt next year


Yeah it's the salary. I prefer Schmaltz as a player, but we can't afford him
Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:31 a.m.
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Quoting: Ritzy
Not sure if this is satire (probably is), but you can drop that first round pick.


I know prices get inflated here, so I wasn't sure. Naturally I'd rather get him for a 4th/5th. But he's having a good year.
Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:32 a.m.
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Oh boy…
Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:33 a.m.
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You realize travis boyd wouldn't play on our team? Bad proposal
Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:35 a.m.
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You realize travis boyd wouldn't play on our team? Bad proposal


What's your solution to the second line then?
Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:37 a.m.
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I seriously doubt Boyd would be a better option to the 2nd line than Gaudreau... Furthermore, you could probably get him for a 3rd round pick.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:38 a.m.
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Yeah Boyd's having a good year but you don't need to pay that.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:52 a.m.
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Oh boy…


Care to elaborate? Is it the value? Because clearly lots of people say I overvalued him. Ok, fine, he's a 3rd or a 4th instead.

Or is it that I'm even targeting Boyd?
Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:57 a.m.
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Quoting: Wildwinswhen
What's your solution to the second line then?


Stay with freddy who seem past couple of games to be improving offensively, or stay put. Because unless Vancouver gm price comes down, Tomas h becomes available, Casey Middlestat becomes available, there's not a whole lot out therre
Feb. 7, 2022 at 10:04 a.m.
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Your issue is Boyd, Kuraly, and Laughton aren't 2nd tier options. They're 4th or 5th tier options at best. They simply aren't much better than what we already have in Gaudreau.

If you're looking for legitimate 2nd to 3rd tier options, and actually upgrade at the position. Someone like Stastny/Copp or D. Strome are the ones you should be looking for and at.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 10:05 a.m.
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Care to elaborate? Is it the value? Because clearly lots of people say I overvalued him. Ok, fine, he's a 3rd or a 4th instead.

Or is it that I'm even targeting Boyd?


I like you thinking outta the box but the guy passed through waivers multiple times last year. I’m really just here with my popcorn.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 10:05 a.m.
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Quoting: GabrielJ
Stay with freddy who seem past couple of games to be improving offensively, or stay put. Because unless Vancouver gm price comes down, Tomas h becomes available, Casey Middlestat becomes available, there's not a whole lot out therre


I doubt Middlestat is available right now.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 10:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Wildwinswhen
I know prices get inflated here, so I wasn't sure. Naturally I'd rather get him for a 4th/5th. But he's having a good year.


You definitely should be leery of the trade proposals on here, every fan base loves to inflate the value of their own players.

Boyd may be having a good year, but there isn't a scenario where he warrants a 1st round pick as a return. There are much better players you could attempt to trade for at the 2C position that you will indeed have to give up that 1st round pick for.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 10:21 a.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
Your issue is Boyd, Kuraly, and Laughton aren't 2nd tier options. They're 4th or 5th tier options at best. They simply aren't much better than what we already have in Gaudreau.

If you're looking for legitimate 2nd to 3rd tier options, and actually upgrade at the position. Someone like Stastny/Copp or D. Strome are the ones you should be looking for and at.


So this team is overachieving and that’s chemistry. You don’t screw with that ATM even if you can get a Hertl. The marginal benefit is nowhere close to what it would cost unless you believe the top 2 scoring lines will come down to earth. D Strome is the best bang for your buck to play with Fiala and Boldy, but Dean will never push Freddy down the lineup.

I would however bring in a guy that costs less than a 3rd to bolster injury depth, like Boyd. Maybe they don’t play the rest of the year but the insurance is what we need.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.
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Quoting: jnowariak
So this team is overachieving and that’s chemistry. You don’t screw with that ATM even if you can get a Hertl. The marginal benefit is nowhere close to what it would cost unless you believe the top 2 scoring lines will come down to earth. D Strome is the best bang for your buck to play with Fiala and Boldy, but Dean will never push Freddy down the lineup.

I would however bring in a guy that costs less than a 3rd to bolster injury depth, like Boyd. Maybe they don’t play the rest of the year but the insurance is what we need.


The bolded part is my concern. Coaches have their players and they acquired Gaudreau because Evason was familiar with him from Milwaukee so I'm not sure he'd be willing to move him down in the lineup even if it makes sense. As a bonus he checked the "former Penguin box" for Guerin. lol

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Yeah it's the salary. I prefer Schmaltz as a player, but we can't afford him


Honestly the Wild don't really need a guy with term, so a pending UFA is probably ideal. Next year they can go with Hartman > Ek > Rossi down the middle to start the season.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 10:57 a.m.
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Your issue is Boyd, Kuraly, and Laughton aren't 2nd tier options. They're 4th or 5th tier options at best. They simply aren't much better than what we already have in Gaudreau.

If you're looking for legitimate 2nd to 3rd tier options, and actually upgrade at the position. Someone like Stastny/Copp or D. Strome are the ones you should be looking for and at.


Looking at Stastny, Copp, or D Strome, we might not be able to pay them past this year.

For Stastny that's ok, but is he really fast enough to keep up with Boldy and Fiala?

Copp is good, but there's no way we can pay him past this year. Might not be worth the cost to just get him as a rental.

I like D Strome, but I thought Russo has said many times that the Wild aren't interested in him.
Feb. 7, 2022 at 11:11 a.m.
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I like D Strome, but I thought Russo has said many times that the Wild aren't interested in him.


He may have said that, but there also may have been context surrounding him saying it such as the Wild weren't interested in him as a return when they were rumored to be shopping Dumba for a top 6 center. That doesn't mean they wouldn't look at acquiring him if the ask was less. People on this site get carried away with reporters saying things and ignoring the fact situations change and a guy who didn't make sense a couple seasons ago suddenly might make a lot more sense.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 11:19 a.m.
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Looking at Stastny, Copp, or D Strome, we might not be able to pay them past this year.

For Stastny that's ok, but is he really fast enough to keep up with Boldy and Fiala?

Copp is good, but there's no way we can pay him past this year. Might not be worth the cost to just get him as a rental.

I like D Strome, but I thought Russo has said many times that the Wild aren't interested in him.


Looking for a player with term beyond this year isn't necessary or really wanted. We basically should be looking for someone to upgrade and help make a push for this year, and not be around past it.

As @JayTea correctly pointed out. There really isn't a better or cheaper option there next year than Rossi.

Stastny may not have the speed anymore, but he still plays effectively with Connor or Ehlers. He'd be fine. Given his experience, he's easily the best option to go after. IMO.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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He may have said that, but there also may have been context surrounding him saying it such as the Wild weren't interested in him as a return when they were rumored to be shopping Dumba for a top 6 center. That doesn't mean they wouldn't look at acquiring him if the ask was less. People on this site get carried away with reporters saying things and ignoring the fact situations change and a guy who didn't make sense a couple seasons ago suddenly might make a lot more sense.


Here’s my thing with Strome. It’s likely he doesn’t cost more than a 3rd, plus he’s an RFA in a contract year. If you throw him next to Fiala and Boldy and he keeps putting up points *and* the Wild win a series, he’s now “a guy you can win with” that you can ask him to resign at a discount or you trade him for more than you paid.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
Stastny may not have the speed anymore, but he still plays effectively with Connor or Ehlers. He'd be fine. Given his experience, he's easily the best option to go after. IMO.


Any idea why he's only played 31 games this year? His transaction history has him listed on NHL Non-roster for 7 days last month so that's probably COVID protocol but the Jets didn't play 11 games in that timeframe so has he been injured?
Feb. 7, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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Quoting: jnowariak
Here’s my thing with Strome. It’s likely he doesn’t cost more than a 3rd, plus he’s an RFA in a contract year. If you throw him next to Fiala and Boldy and he keeps putting up points *and* the Wild win a series, he’s now “a guy you can win with” that you can ask him to resign at a discount or you trade him for more than you paid.


I wouldn't mind getting him if the price is right, my past objection to him was him being a return for Dumba and expecting him to be the 1C the team has been looking for. If they can acquire him for a 2nd or 3rd and retain his rights to either sign him at a discount or flip him to recover some of what you spent to get him, that's bonus.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: JayTea
I wouldn't mind getting him if the price is right, my past objection to him was him being a return for Dumba and expecting him to be the 1C the team has been looking for. If they can acquire him for a 2nd or 3rd and retain his rights to either sign him at a discount or flip him to recover some of what you spent to get him, that's bonus.


Right. I’m totally on board with that analysis.
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Feb. 7, 2022 at 12:07 p.m.
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Any idea why he's only played 31 games this year? His transaction history has him listed on NHL Non-roster for 7 days last month so that's probably COVID protocol but the Jets didn't play 11 games in that timeframe so has he been injured?


I haven't exactly followed the Jets closely this year, but IIRC he was just coming back from injury when he got put into protocol. All I know is he's playing now, and playing well.

Furthermore, he has a history of being moved at the deadline before and has shown to be a successful inclusion for the teams acquiring him that year. It's not exactly new to him, and he doesn’t seem to disrupt the lockerrooms of the team he gets dealt to either. Which is another key reason why we should consider him over others. Given our concerns about messing up our team chemistry moving forward.

He's also good on the dot too. So a boon there as well.
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