The Leafs are no better this season with trading of two Dmen and Kerfoot for two Dmen. Plus losing so many futures for minimal gains this season if at all.

Dumba isn't available to be traded during the season. Offseason a decision will be made. Also, Minnesota is in no position to retain anything on dumba much less take on Justin holly's contract . Not a bad offer but dumba is simply not getting traded Right now, and we aren't retaining, taking on any cap dump

Seattle accepts (or at least they should... who knows with Francis in charge). The Wild do not, they are also contending now. The futures would make this an overpay if they weren't, but they are.

You're saying two dmen for Kerfoot and two dmen. However, you're not acknowleding the substantial upgrade on the backend (for which they've needed for many years now, Dunn and Dumba are big upgrades over Holl and Dermott/Liljegren, although I love Liljegren) without taking too much away from their offence, this is a contending team.

The package was made to be over the top so the Wild can't say no. I don't think he's worth more than Liljegren, Amirov, a 1st and 2nd. Even if the team is contending, Holl and Liljegren aren't slouches, although not as good as Dumba, and Liljegren has top 4 upside.

I don't know why Leaf fans hate their own players and think the other teams players are such different makers. What are the Leafs, fifth in GAA, 3rd on PK...and it's so switching two Dmen for another two are going to make them that much better? Kerfoot was the Leafs second best player in last years playoffs. Leafs have no NHL depth at centre, and if a centre is injured (Matthews might be now) it's Kerfoot who takes on the 2C. The Leafs are 3rd in the East, 2nd in the Atlantic....they are a contending team now.

The package was made to be over the top so the Wild can't say no. I don't think he's worth more than Liljegren, Amirov, a 1st and 2nd. Even if the team is contending, Holl and Liljegren aren't slouches, although not as good as Dumba, and Liljegren has top 4 upside.

A Reilly/Dumba pair is just a disaster waiting to happen. They are the same d-man in the respects that are at their best when paired with a quality stay at home d-man that can cover for their gambles.

I don't know why Leaf fans hate their own players and think the other teams players are such different makers. What are the Leafs, fifth in GAA, 3rd on PK...and it's so switching two Dmen for another two are going to make them that much better? Kerfoot was the Leafs second best player in last years playoffs. Leafs have no NHL depth at centre, and if a centre is injured (Matthews might be now) it's Kerfoot who takes on the 2C. The Leafs are 3rd in the East, 2nd in the Atlantic....they are a contending team now.

I've noticed quite a bit on the site that you've defended Leafs players, which is great, because many just **** on them for being with the Leafs, and when used in trades are viewed as garbage, which is flat out unfair. And you've pointed out the stats on the team (1st in powerplay, 3rd in penalty kill, 6th in GAA, etc) that make them look like a legit contender with what they have now. I'm assuming, and just assuming, you had a similar approach last season in defending the team (winning the division, top 10 in points, top 10 in scoring, defence, etc).... but they didn't get out of the first round. As Billy Beane pointed out in Moneyball, "It doesn't matter if you don't win the last game of the season." This team with its great stats doesn't have a great chance against Florida or Tampa, they're a great team, but their d core just not good enough. I'm not a hockey expert, not by a long shot, but many good hockey minds in the media just flat out say they don't have that core. My trades represent a team that is serious on contending.

I've noticed quite a bit on the site that you've defended Leafs players, which is great, because many just **** on them for being with the Leafs, and when used in trades are viewed as garbage, which is flat out unfair. And you've pointed out the stats on the team (1st in powerplay, 3rd in penalty kill, 6th in GAA, etc) that make them look like a legit contender with what they have now. I'm assuming, and just assuming, you had a similar approach last season in defending the team (winning the division, top 10 in points, top 10 in scoring, defence, etc).... but they didn't get out of the first round. As Billy Beane pointed out in Moneyball, "It doesn't matter if you don't win the last game of the season." This team with its great stats doesn't have a great chance against Florida or Tampa, they're a great team, but their d core just not goS

I've noticed quite a bit on the site that you've defended Leafs players, which is great, because many just **** on them for being with the Leafs, and when used in trades are viewed as garbage, which is flat out unfair. And you've pointed out the stats on the team (1st in powerplay, 3rd in penalty kill, 6th in GAA, etc) that make them look like a legit contender with what they have now. I'm assuming, and just assuming, you had a similar approach last season in defending the team (winning the division, top 10 in points, top 10 in scoring, defence, etc).... but they didn't get out of the first round. As Billy Beane pointed out in Moneyball, "It doesn't matter if you don't win the last game of the season." This team with its great stats doesn't have a great chance against Florida or Tampa, they're a great team, but their d core just not good enough. I'm not a hockey expert, not by a long shot, but many good hockey minds in the media just flat out say they don't have that core. My trades represent a team that is serious on contending.

Sorry, getting Dunn who exposed by St Louis in the expansion draft and Minni 3rd best Dman doesn't but the Leafs over the top at the expense of Kerfoot, and Leafs two Dmen. Really hard to believe to think they taking extra cap for next season and stripping the prospects is a good way to be competitive . 16 teams miss the playoffs, 8 teams lose in the first round. I know it is subjective, but thinking Dunn and Dumba are going to take the Leafs to the Cup is "crazy". Besides Kerfoot might really be needed at centre, if Matthews is out, By the way Kerfoot Leafs second best player in last years playoffs.