gave up all that for Oliver Wahlstrom just to play Marleau over him, smh

tho the Islanders definitely pass on that one anyways.

no, just no. I don't try to be insulting on here, but that's a really dumb trade. That takes away a major part of the Islanders future. If Mike Milibury was still the GM (god forbid), he would do a trade like that, but definitely not Lou, who drafted Wahlstrom back in 2018

Yeah well since the Senators have a 0% chance of making the playoffs, None of these trades are going down, And Ryan Nugent-Hopkins definitely isn't waiving for Ottawa.

Isles are laughing.

isn't Marleau retired?

You guys realize that’s a bad trade for ottawa right. Connor Brown and Shane Pinto combined are worth way more than Wahlstrom and Salo. Pinto is an untouchable and Brown is worth a 1st and a good prospect

Hasn't brown been injured all season or is that someone else?

Nah. Connor Brown has been averaging 50pts in his tenure in ottawa while being deployed heavily defensively and this year has 21pts in 27 games.

I get why the Isles fans say they won’t do it but Pinto is one of our best young players. I don’t fault other teams fans for not knowing who he is but he was one of the favs for the Calder this year had he not gotten injured and would’ve been our 2C. Barry Trotz would have an orgasm watching him play lol

The funniest part of this whole thing is the Philly trade. Absolutely disgusting

I was thinking of Colin White.. whoops, but yeah we like Wahlstrom around here. Man tried the Michigan goal last night, but that would be a Mike Milibury type of trade ngl

it's not that the players in the trade are bad, it's just that the fit isn't there for the Islanders. I'd assume that if the trade happened like that, Brown would slot into Wahlstrom's RW2(ish) spot, so that boils down to which player you want more. Personally, I'd rather have that las year of Wahlstrom's ELC than Brown's $3.6M next season, but that's just because the Isles could use that extra cap space.

Then you've got Pinto, who is a very good prospect going to a team that doesn't need another C. Their top 4 Cs are Barzal, Brock Nelson, JG Pageau, & Casey Cizikas. Barzal isn't going anywhere, Nelson has solidified as a great 2C(with 3 more years at $6M AAV), and JGP/Casey both have contracts with enough term that they're pretty hard to move. Moving Pinto to a wing is probably devaluing him from Ottawa's perspective.

Salo, meanwhile, is less of a prospect than Pinto but is more of an area of need for New York. Their LD depth chart is Adam Pelech-Zdeno Chara-Andy Greene. Pelech is the clear-cut LD1 and Salo should be stepping up to be an everyday player next year, since Chara & Greene are both old as dirt and UFAs that are unlikely to come back. If you make the move Salo for Pinto, the Isles are getting the better player but are making one of their weakest positions even weaker.

The rest of the trade definitely makes it an overpay for Ottawa. Watson & Kelly are grinders, so would probably fit well on a Trotz team, but not really necessary; then you have Ottawa giving a 2nd and two 3rds while getting back two 6ths & a 7th. I could argue that the future value between Wahlstrom and Brown would need an extra 2nd thrown in, but not 3 top-100 picks.

Batherson for Giroux 1 for 1 i'd do lol

I disagree, Wahlstrom is one of the better U21 forwards in the NHL and is well on his way to being a top line 30-35 G scorer with a solid two way impact. Salo will be a 2nd pair all situations D. I don't see how Pinto (who's ceiling is a 2c) and Connor brown (average middle 6 wing) has more value.

Who says Pinto’s ceiling is a 2C? Brown , 50pt 2 way player deployed defensively is average ?

This trade would set the islanders back big time. I would argue that the value between Wahlstrom and Brown is significantly more than 3 top 100 picks. Brown (average middle 6 wing) vs Wahlstrom (top 6 caliber forward at age 21 and on a top line trajectory)

I like Pinto but what has he done to have a ceiling higher than a 2c?

Last season Brown had an unsustainable S% , he was definitely better than an average midd 6 winger last year, but over the last 3 seasons he's pretty much has been a good middle 6 wing who's gotten top line minutes on the sens

He still gets deployed defensively to shutdown guys and still puts up a lot of 5 v 5 points

The past two seasons Brown been slightly below average at preventing quality shots against. He's a good player, but context matters. Brown plays 20 min a game for Ottawa, he's going to put up points. It's similar to Josh Bailey on the isles, he's on pace for 50 pts but his on ice impact is nothing more than a 4th liner. Obviously Brown isn't at that level, he's a better play driver but he's not more than a middle 6 wing.

We can both agree on what we think Wahlstrom's trajectory looks like, but until he's actually playing on Barzal's RW it's just projection. I agree that I wouldn't make the deal personally, but if you just look at Salo & Wahlstrom for Brown & Pinto, it's a classic "win-now" overpay that gets mitigated by getting Ottawa's 2nd (probably around 35ish overall), plus two 3rds that will probably be around 75 & 90. I could see both sides arguing they're giving up too much, which is why I don't think there's any basis in reality for the deal.

I would like to see someone tell me that this isn't trolling.

All these trades are absolutely horrific for Ottawa

Example, they wouldn't give up Drake Batherson alone for Claude Giroux. They're not going to add JBD, Paul and a bunch of picks




Wait... you're passing on Shane Pinto + Connor Brown + 2nd + 3rd + 3rd for Oliver Whalstrom???

lol this is absolutely horrendous for Ottawa and I had Wahlstrom about 7th OA for that 2018 draft

It seems like Pinto and Connor are still very unknown around the league.

No chance I'm trading Pinto for Wahlstrom

This is the 2nd straight season where Wahlstrom has had a 2nd line impact playing bottom 6 minutes (with average 3rd liners) , which is incredibly difficult to do. He's not sheltered at all, so it's safe to project him to have a top line impact.

This isn't a win now trade because Wahlstrom has been better than Brown this season, and it's really not that close.

If Ottawa offered Pinto and their 2023 1st for Wahlstrom , isles still wouldn't do it. You can have your opinion, but the numbers don't lie. Wahlstrom's overall on ice impact has been nearly identical to Brady Tkachuks despite playing with much worse players.

Not only that but Brown is actually close to invaluable if Ottawa has playoffs aspirations next season. Not a lot of people understand how much impact a player like that has but it's slowly coming. Things take time



Brown missed 14 games this season, he has 22 pts in 28 games. He has produced as a 25 goals 55 pts forward during the 3 seasons he has been in Ottawa, mostly at ES and PK as his role is being a matchup forward. He's a fantastic player, every coach would KILL to have him.



You mean u-22? OW turns 22 in a few months.

I leave out the rest. Too much misinformation.



Someone who describes Connor Brown as "average" doesn't know or understand hockey as much as they'd like to think.

Pinto's a center, and while he looks to have a high ceiling, the Islanders have no room for him. They need scoring wingers more, which is why Wahlstrom wouldn't be traded for Pinto, much less the other things going on in that trade. Or, as I said a few posts ago:

I can actually prove that Brown is an average middle 6 winger, if you want to choose to be ignorant go right ahead.