Way too much for Schenn, don't get Klingberg

It's 2022.....why do think Klingberg is worth so much. He good on the PP, but just average elsewhere.

Holl is better than Schenn.

Not enough for Klingberg-- but not worth more IMO.

the schenn hype is getting hilarious, he isnt very good. He's not even close to as good as holl

If Dubas is acquiring Schenn it'll be for a draft pick. Not Holl. Truth is Dubas values Holl much more than other teams fans do.

My goal for this was essentially to make the team I wanted and then purposefully overpay to show my willingness to spend.

This would be excellent! I just see Schenn taking that 6 D spot from Holl and needed to ditch 2 mill to fit Klingberg.

I would have agreed with you 3 months ago but Schenn actually has good underlying numbers this season, especially on defense. I see him as an upgrade on Derms/Lily.

I tentatively agree with you about Holl, but the purpose of including him in that deal was to clear space for Klingberg. I see Schenn as an upgrade on Derms and Lily (for this postseason that is).

except that it's 3 months, max. and that's with Holl coming off an illness and injury. Schenn is having a nice season for him, but when you're 32 and suddenly you have an ok season after being not good for years it isnt a sign of things to come, it is a blip.
would he be a decent bottom pairing option? sure, if the cost was in line with an older guy you want as a 6th defender. He i certainly not an upgrade on Lily and about on par with Dermott in what they bring.

I think Klingberg would be a better fit with the Rangers than the Leafs. I'd focus on Manson if the Ducks are willing to trade him.

I don't see Klingberg as a rental being much better (as far as fit for TOR goes) than Holl is. Especially to give up assets. TML aren't seeking more offense.

IMO-- If they're adding to the D, it's a 2nd/3rd pair RD to improve presence in front of our net. And they don't move Holl to do that. It would be bringing in a vet to play 3rd pair, or find an upgrade to force Holl down to 3rd pair, making Dermott & Lilly 7th/8th (or one of them involved in the trade).

Vancouver rejects offer

Not enough for Klinger

IMO the biggest issue with the second pairing is puck moving not force. That's my rationale for Klingberg, grab a guy who can help Muzz move the puck.