downgrading in Holl and adding two old slow bad players doesnt get you playoff ready

Holl is just downright awful. I keep getting stats thrown at me that says I'm wrong, but he doesn't pass the eye test. Every game I watch he looks lost out there. Big Body Dman that refuses or is scared to use it.

passes mine just fine, and he passes it better than Mayfield and significantly better than chara or clutterbuck.

Gonna need more than that if we’re taking Ritchie too

Isles accept the 1st deal and quickly decline the 2nd.

Dermott = Mayfield
Chara = 6th
So you're getting a 2nd to take on Ritchie which is a very cheap buyout this summer. It's actually an overpay by Toronto. Significantly.

Let's throw Chara in the lineup and bring Gabriel back, then we will be "Built for playoffs". Having toughness is always nice, but they should also be good at hockey, which Chara and Clutterbuck just aren't. Acquiring old, slow big bodies isn't what is going to get this team over the edge in the playoffs, it will fall on the big 4 along with other guys chipping in when needed. I'm fine with acquiring Hakanpaa for the 3rd pair but if we are going to trade for someone to play 2RD, it should be an upgrade over Holl.

Not a single person is giving you Mayfield for Dermott straight up.

They're both bottom pair defenceman that can play in the top 4 if needed. Both have about the same cap hit and have team control over them. Dermott's the far far superior skater and Mayfield is the superior physical player. The Islanders need a left handed shot defenceman, Toronto needs a right handed shot defenceman - everything adds up to fair value 1 for 1 whether fans on the internet like it or not.

The real question is whether Toronto decides to keep Dermott and offer picks for Mayfield instead to keep more depth for the playoffs

Chara is an extra dman. Clutterbuck is an extra forward. Mayfield was terrific in the playoffs last year for NYI.

In what world does dermott=mayfield?????

Reality.

Both are bottom our defenders that can play top 4 if needed. Both have this season and next left on their current deals at basically the same amount. Islanders need a left handed defenceman, Toronto needs a right handed one. Dermott is the far, far superior skater, Mayfield is the superior physical player. Both are good defensively but limited offensively.

That's a win win for both teams. If anything, Dermott has slightly more value. While Mayfield may have a slightly better playoff performance record, Dermott is 4 years younger and his contract expires as a RFA so he has more team control value.

Islanders fans need to get their heads outta their asses when they think that Mayfield is worth the sun. Reality is he's a bottom pair defenceman. Not a top pair guy.

Mayfield is RD3 right now because Ryan Pulock is healthy again; he spent a lot of those 25 games Pulock was hurt on the top pair with Adam Pelech and did a decent job keeping his head above water (a lot of that is Pelech, obviously, but he didn't drag the pair down). I mean, just look at their TOI - Mayfield has been averaging just over 20 minutes a night while Dermott gets 14:13. You can just look at the lineups on DailyFaceoff and assume they're equal because they're in the same spot in the lineup.

Even if we take your premise at face value, and that they're basically the same player, then why would the Islanders make this deal? Right now they have 3 good RD, and could use help at LD3. If they trade RD3 for an LD3, guess what? Now they need help at RD3. Might as well not make the deal in the first place anyways, you know?

Thank you for making my point even clearer! You've stated that Mayfield is playing bottom pair but was able to move up when needed (as I stated). Dermott has done the same thing. The difference in ice time? Toronto hasn't been hit as hard by injuries so they're able to keep Dermott in his spot.

Side note, I never said that either team should make the deal. I just said that the value is more than fair 1 for 1.

Hes a solid top 4 RHD. Hes played top 4 the last 3/4 years at least with good results. This year he stepped up and played top pair for basically the whole year and played well. Savard and chiarot got/will get 1sts with only 1 year left, mayfield has 2 at 1.45 he gets at the very minimum a 1st

If he was a top 4 then he'd play in the top 4 consistently. Just because he played in a top 4 before, doesn't mean he's a top 4 guy. Hell by that logic Cody Ceci is a top pairing defenceman!

Lmao. A first for Mayfield. 😂😂

Not sure if I didn't make myself clear enough in contrasting the two or you're just digging your heels in, but let's dive deeper then.

Mayfield has spent nearly 66% of his ice time this year playing alongside Adam Pelech. At even strength, they have out-chanced, out-shot, and out-scored their opponents 21-14 for a team that has generally had negative possession numbers and has been outscored 77-88 otherwise at ES. So it's not just like Mayfield was moonlighting on the top pair - through basically half the season, he has been the most frequent RD1 for the Islanders, with solid possession numbers. And again, he might show as RD3 on DailyFaceoff but he's playing on a team that rolls all 3 of their D pairs equally (for example, last night he was 2nd amongst Islanders D in TOI behind...Adam Pelech.)

Dermott has spent about 18% of his even strength time with Morgan Rielly, who we can agree is probably top pair on TML. Together, they have 47.5% of chances and 43.5% of shots together, while at least maintaining scoring equilibrium (5-5) for a team that typically gets 53% of the shot attempts at even strength. The only other skater Rielly has worse numbers with (minimum 20 minutes together) is Rasmus Sandin, the other 3rd pair D for Toronto. That's fine! They're both bottom pair guys, Rielly is only one guy (hilariously, his possession numbers when skating as the only D at even strength are actually better than when he spends time with either Sandin or Dermott), and there's only so much he can do to cover for his partner on D.

I agree that there's really no sense for the deal to be made, even if it's Mayfield for Dermott and a 1 or 2. Dermott fills a hole on the left, sure, but opens one up on the right that the Islanders don't have anyone to plug it with. And Mayfield doesn't really fit the kind of game Toronto plays - I'm sure he'd have success in the playoffs when things slow down and get more physical, but until then he'll be a square peg in a round hole. But I gotta push back on the idea that Dermott and Mayfield are equal in value and would be a fair 1-for-1 deal.

So please tell me why savard got a 1st, and chiarot will get a 1st, but mayfield wont? Also play top 4 consistently, hes played top 4 for the last 4 years at least. That was a very dumb statement on your part.

Cause Savard and Chiarot are better. Stop overvaluing your favourite teams players.

How am i overvaluing my teams players lmao. Chiarot has a freakin 4% war.

Cool story bro. Since when are stats and analytics everything? If they were, Toronto woulda had a cup sometime in the last 5 years but they don't. Hockey isn't won on paper, it's won on the ice.

Well im guessing you havent watched mayfield play more than 3 games this year and probably not more than 5 games last year. So its pretty thick of you to just rely on what other people say or rely on a couple of games. I would at least have a basis for my opinion before i went around shouting it. Every single way to measure says mayfield is just as good as savard/chiarot plus he has a 2nd year but he must not be as good bc truecanuck on capfriendly said he isnt. You should probably get a gm job somewhere if you could know that the analytics didnt give an accurate valuation of a player without seeing him play.