Canes deadline- realistic all in approach

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Created by: MMer19

Team: 2021-22 Carolina Hurricanes

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 15, 2022

Published: Feb. 15, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

CAR

Klingberg, John

DAL

Bear, Ethan
2022 3rd round pick (CHI)
2023 3rd round pick (CAR)

Additional Details:

Don has to know if he does this he likely can't resign both TDA and Klingberg after the season is over given the current cap situation. Klingberg has left Dallas no leverage in making a deal since he expressed he's unlikely to resign there after the season is over. I think Dallas takes some picks and a young defenseman w good upside while the canes go all in on this year acquiring another elite puck mover and QB for PP2.

CAR

Miller, J.T.

VAN

Additional Details:

I absolutely love KK but have come to peace with moving him in a deal like this. Miller is having a terrific year and would be the 2nd line center both this year and next year at a very reasonable price. Given the inevitable loss of either Nino or Trocheck at the end of the season, you secure a top 6 guy for next year while giving yourself a chance to win it all this year with the 3 of them. I don't think Vancouver would say no to this, just a matter of the canes being willing to part ways w KK. (It also works bc of KK's 6+ mil cap hit this year)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$80,517,750	$0	$1,037,500	$982,250

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Jarvis, Seth $894,167$894,167 ($500,000$500K) RW RFA - 3	Aho, Sebastian $8,460,250$8,460,250 C UFA - 3	Teräväinen, Teuvo $5,400,000$5,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3
Svechnikov, Andrei $7,750,000$7,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2	Necas, Martin $863,333$863,333 ($537,500$538K) RW RFA - 1
Niederreiter, Nino $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Trocheck, Vincent $4,750,000$4,750,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Fast, Jesper $2,000,000$2,000,000 RW UFA - 2
Stepan, Derek $1,350,000$1,350,000 C, RW UFA - 1		Martinook, Jordan $1,800,000$1,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 3
	Staal, Jordan $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 2	Lorentz, Steven $725,000$725,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Slavin, Jaccob $5,300,000$5,300,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 4	Klingberg, John $4,250,000$4,250,000 RD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik $4,500,000$4,500,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Skjei, Brady $5,250,000$5,250,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Pesce, Brett $4,025,000$4,025,000 RD UFA - 3	Raanta, Antti $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 2
Cole, Ian $2,900,000$2,900,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Deangelo, Anthony $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD UFA - 1
Smith, Brendan $800,000$800,000 LD/RD, LW UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Gardiner, Jake $4,050,000$4,050,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Trocheck, V.		Aho, S.		Svechnikov, A.
	Teräväinen, T.		Deangelo, A.

Power Play 2
Niederreiter, N.		Miller, J.		Necas, M.
	Jarvis, S.		Klingberg, J.

Penalty Kill 1
	Staal, J.	Fast, J.
	Slavin, J.	Cole, I.

Penalty Kill 2
	Stepan, D.	Martinook, J.
	Skjei, B.	Pesce, B.

Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:42 p.m.

QualityTrades1

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Well those lines are weird.
(Miller - Aho - Teravainen)
(Svechnikov - Trocheck - Necas)
But yeah, I agree on the Miller end. Love KK, but if that's the type of package it would take to get Miller, I'm into it.

Doubt we get Klingberg for that though. I know he wasn't having the best season ever but he's more valuable than that I think

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:43 p.m.

spockrock

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Seems like an underpayment for Klingberg. That’s hard to say with all the crazy overpay proposals others throw around on this site.

I don’t really see the point in paying that much for Miller. The CAR forward group is great and they’ll need Kotkaniemi next year when Trocheck likely walks.

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:43 p.m.

ecupirate07

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Miller is great but trading a 1st-3rd round picks, Bokk and Chatfield seems like too much.

Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:44 p.m.

zk97

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you can trade KK back to MTL

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:47 p.m.

tydini11

Re-sign Bo

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Miller is great but trading a 1st-3rd round picks, Bokk and Chatfield seems like too much.

It does seem like an overpayment when you consider NY giving us a couple prospects and a 1st round while also wanting us to retain cap hit

Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.

gmgb

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Both proposals are underpayments.

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 1:14 p.m.

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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Even if you wanted to - KK is not eligible to be traded for 1 year after the offer sheet. This is a CBA rule and is in effect until 2022-2023 league year.

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.

MMer19

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MM19

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Quoting: Caniac555

Even if you wanted to - KK is not eligible to be traded for 1 year after the offer sheet. This is a CBA rule and is in effect until 2022-2023 league year.

Gotcha, didn't know this.

Feb. 15, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.

spockrock

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Quoting: Caniac555

Even if you wanted to - KK is not eligible to be traded for 1 year after the offer sheet. This is a CBA rule and is in effect until 2022-2023 league year.

False.

He can be traded at any time by the Canes. Had Montreal matched the offer sheet, then they’d be restricted in trading him for a year.

Feb. 15, 2022 at 1:20 p.m.

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spockrock

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Quoting: MMer19

Gotcha, didn't know this.

And now you know it’s not right. That restriction only applies to a team that matches an offer sheet, not the team that poaches a player via an offer sheet.

Feb. 15, 2022 at 1:48 p.m.

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Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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Spock is correct, my bad. But - you are now trading KK’s RFA rights, 1st 2nd 3rd Bokk & Chatfield (a player who was just re-signed) for 1.5 years if JT Miller. I love Miller, but that isn’t good asset management.

Quoting: spockrock

And now you know it’s not right. That restriction only applies to a team that matches an offer sheet, not the team that poaches a player via an offer sheet.

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 4:41 p.m.

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QualityTrades1

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Quoting: Caniac555

Very true for asset management however if getting JT Miller costed the trade like this, I could see both teams being interested. At the end of the day it’s about putting the best team on the ice and with how deep Carolina is, I do think this trade won’t hurt much in the long run

Feb. 15, 2022 at 7:29 p.m.

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CanucksPain

GREEN FIRED

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Canucks reject

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 7:35 p.m.

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Knuckl3s

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Quoting: Fff

Canucks reject

And everybody criticizes Canucks fans for overvaluing their players, Chatfield and Bokk, both have little to no value. The 2nd is nice, but I don't think the Canucks want KK as the center piece coming back in a Miller trade

Right now Miller costs the equivalent of 3 1st round picks minimum, that package comes nowhere close to that type of value

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Feb. 15, 2022 at 7:39 p.m.

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gmgb

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Quoting: Caniac555

You're not trading Kotkaniemi and a 1st & 3rd (plus the rest) though. You can either think of it as Kotkaniemi's rights or your 1st & 3rd, but not both. Of course it sounds like too much, when you're listing the centrepiece of deal twice.

Feb. 15, 2022 at 10:51 p.m.

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Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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Edited Feb. 15, 2022 at 10:58 p.m.

Your view point is as a trade, mine was asset management. And yes you have to think of it as RFA rights from the Canes perspective. You don’t have KK after this year nor your 1st or 3rd. Unless of course you are only thinking about KK as a 1/2 year rental.

Quoting: gmgb

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