I can’t see ottawa doing this. However , if you wanna discuss an Ehlers or Connor or Dubois trade, then I’m all for it. Scheifele just doesn’t fit our window or needs and will be a UFA at the worst possible age

I don't think they'd include those. They're the pieces they want to build this team around.

Ottawa’s main need is a a 22-26 year old winger with term. Not a middle 6 forward but an actual top 6 forward. Preferably right shot

I made a post what this trade would like from OTT's pov.

I think giving how promising they're looking they should have no trouble keeping Scheifele. And imo they also need some experience.

I think if Scheifele moves to RW it could be fine. But I just don’t wanna pay what he’s worth for 2 years of him

Minnesota is in cap hell and somehow they are paying two 2nd for a guy in his late 30's, and is earning 8 mil and somehow Minnesota can end up paying a 1st also. Minnesota didn't trade for jost to rid of him. They aren't trading freddy Gaudreau whose beloved by Guerin and dean Evason. . Wild will have Rossi on roster next season. They don't need anymore C's. Rossi will be 1 or 2c. Hartman will be 1 pr 2c. Joel Eriksson ek will still be 3c

He's half retained. He's RW, not a C. He's almost a PPG player. He's much more of a top-6 asset than Jost or Gaudreau is. Those picks are only ending up firsts if Wild or Wheeler is vey successful. They honestly have very little to lose.

Detroit accepts.

Have you done research on Minnesota winger situation? They don't have any room or need. Even if Fiala is traded, who they get back in Fiala trade will take over, or Beckman will. Beckman is on last year of elc needing room or if Minnesota still doesn't believe in him will sign a short gap option. Minnesota isn't the type of team to ever care about RW

I think Scheifele is the wrong kinda guy for Ottawa to sell the farm for. He’s 3-5 years too old, only has 2 years of team control before he’d expect a big contract as he exits his prime, and is a centre (which I would argue is a position of strength for the Sens with Norris/Stutzle/Pinto as the 1-2-3, the possibility of adding Wright or Cooley, and guys like Greig and White as well) who doesn’t play any defense (not necessarily required, but it would help if he could shoulder the load for some of the kids, but he won’t). I also don’t think he’s a great locker room presence honestly, good leaders lead by example and I don’t think he does that (Winnipeg has been a mess under his+Wheeler’s leadership). I would sell the farm for Connor or Ehlers if either becomes even kind of available, but not Scheifele (like guys I think should be Sens targets have been the likes of Fiala, Boeser, Konecny, etc. and Connor/Ehlers fit nicely into that group of guys I’d be willing to sell a lot for and would fit nicely on Stutzle’s wing for the next 5+ years).

I made a post on what Wild would look like and Wheeler fits pretty well on that core, so yes I have done my research.

Wheeler has two years left so he is more or less a short gap option.

Honestly I feel like I'm discussing with a bot when dealing with you or your alternative accounts. Their points remain exactly the same and they repeat and repeat them constantly.

That's a fair summary of this. I'm just personally of the opinion that OTT needs some vets that the youth would complement, but right now they don't have any. Scheifele is probably cost wise the best option to fill this kind of hole. Granted he's got only two years left, but I personally see no reason as for why he wouldn't re-sign in OTT given how promising team they have.

Where exactly do you think wheeler would fit? You think Minnesota is all lf a sudden going to trade for a player that age? You are ignoring wild run 4 lines equal and here is how they run it,

Zuccarello, kaprizov
Fiala (Beckman), Boldy
Greenway, foligno
Duhaime, Nic D (Bjugstad)

Fiala traded
Zuccarello, kaprizov
Who they get (Trade) Beckman, Boldy
Greenway, Foligno
Duhaime, Nic d(Bjugstad, Dewar)

So Minnesota can sign the bunch of winger free agent this summer or they will give it to Beckman whose last year of elc, and need room so wild can evaluate him and know how much to pay him

Just block them lol, there’s no point arguing with most Wild fans on here. Bill Guerin is the perfect GM, their 3rd liners are more valuable than your best player, and they couldn’t possibly get rid of a mid-round pick, because Guerin could just use that to draft the next Kucherov, so it would need to be a Kucherov level player on a league min cap hit to get them to trade a bottom six player and a mid-round pick, and if you disagree you’re stupid and wrong

You saw the post, you know what my plans were.

Beckman remains in AHL, Wheeler slots in 2nd line with Boldy and Rossi.

And apparently Hronek is an AHL player.

Detroit accepts, player useful.

Well, if you look only at his defensive play they do have a point...

Lol

So Beckman whose in his 3rd year, almost made it out of training camp will stay his last year there and then Minnesota will have to sign him to short Gao option. Not to mention you are forgetting wild could also get someone in Fiala trade. Minnesota can also save assets and sign someone in free agency. But hey, Minnesota should trade assets for late 30's and forget about anything else

I agree that Ottawa needs some vets, that’s why I’m hoping we get Giroux this summer haha. I think a ~25yo (give or take a year) with a few years of NHL experience and maybe some playoff experience would suffice as the secondary option after Giroux. I’m just not a big fan of Scheifele as a leader. And as for cost, it’s not a huge deal right now (which is why I hope we can get Giroux for 2-3 years even if it costs 7+ mil) but will be later, so Scheifele expiring in 2 years likely means he walks, because he’d presumably get offered 8+ on the open market (high end centre market is crazy, might even be 10+ by then), but we’ll be needing to pay the likes of Stutzle and Sanderson by then.

I doubt Scheifele gets that much term given he's 31 when that contract expires. It could be 6 years, 9 mil though.

The Jets are bad enough as it is, you shouldn't have to work this hard to make them worse.

I think it would probably be one of those cases where a team offers max term to try and keep the AAV down, and front loads the contract with bonuses, but regardless he’ll only maybe be worth whatever his next deal is for like 3 seasons, which might be half the contract. And the back half would still be in Ottawa’s contention window, so it’d be a drag. I’d rather trade for Fiala and give him 7x7 right now to get most of his prime in our contention window, and let him walk in his 30s.

Mark Scheifele has been one of my favorites non-Sens players for a long time now but I don't even come close to consider that

He is 29 years old, has ONLY 2 years left. His cap hit is good but it doesn't matter that much. This reminds me of Spezza's value when he was traded from Ottawa. Offensive center lacking in 2-way game with a possible decline on the horizon and who will need a new (big) contract soon, so a very high possibility to become overpaid; which is exactly what happened with Spezza. He was massively overpaid in his last 2 years with Dallas


That being said, even with different context/conditions, this is INSANE value

2022 1st round pick (OTT) : 6th-9th OA pick in 2022
Greig, Ridly : 1st round pick value ++, this guy is a stud in the making
Thomson, Lassi : 1st round pick value
Brännström, Erik : at the very least a 2nd round pick
White, Colin : solid 3rd line forward, overpaid but solid
2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
2024 2nd round pick (OTT)

That's like 2 elite assets, another first and 3 seconds, plus White

No Thanks but no.

Wait, remove DeMelo (too late now, should have kept him back then but Dorion) and simplify by removing the 2nd too. Not sure why Phillips, Markus is included here lol

Still a big easy NO

Not to mention Center is the LAST position of need for Ottawa... even less than LD (Chabot, Sanderson, Kleven, Brannstrom, etc)