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Retool and Tank

Created by: mr_z
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 29, 2022
Published: May 29, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,750,000
2$900,000
8$4,750,000
1$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Wright, Shane
3$925,000
Slafkovsky, Juraj
3$925,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. 2022 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Drouin, Jonathan ($2,750,000 retained)
  2. Farrell, Sean [Reserve List]
  3. Guhle, Kaiden
  4. 2022 1st round pick (CGY)
  5. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  6. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Top 10 protected 2024 1st. Slides to 2025.
2.
MTL
  1. Dellandrea, Ty
  2. Eriksson, Albin [Reserve List]
  3. Khudobin, Anton
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (DAL)
  5. 2023 4th round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Petry, Jeff ($1,250,000 retained)
3.
SJS
  1. Byron, Paul ($1,700,000 retained)
4.
5.
WSH
  1. Hoffman, Mike ($2,250,000 retained)
  2. Tuch, Luke [Reserve List]
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (MTL)
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (MTL)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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Logo of the STL
2023
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Logo of the DAL
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Logo of the CGY
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$76,043,332$1,132,500$1,387,500$6,456,668
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$5,700,000$5,700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
Slafkovsky, Juraj
$925,000$925,000
Wright, Shane
$925,000$925,000
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$2,550,000$2,550,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$900,000$900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$900,000$900,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4

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May 29, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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If your plan is to tank, wouldn't it make more sense to hang onto the negative value players, like Hoffman, Armia, Byron, etc?
May 29, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: gmgb
If your plan is to tank, wouldn't it make more sense to hang onto the negative value players, like Hoffman, Armia, Byron, etc?


Retool aaand Tank. Thanks.
May 29, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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I just don't see MTL moving Guhle and/or Farrell right as they start a rebuild
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May 29, 2022 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
I just don't see MTL moving Guhle and/or Farrell right as they start a rebuild


Possible. But IMO there is a package the Habs can offer for 2nd overall. Unlike what most would like to claim.
May 29, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
I just don't see MTL moving Guhle and/or Farrell right as they start a rebuild


Can you give one legit argument on why the Devils would even think to do any of this?

Likely not seeing a legit 1st until 2025? Having to house the husk that is Drouin? C'mon man...this is bad
May 29, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
I just don't see MTL moving Guhle and/or Farrell right as they start a rebuild


They shouldn't give their best prospect over a gamble !! Trade Norlinder or Tuch okay but never ever think about trading our next mountain man Ghule or a new Suzuki in Farell !
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May 29, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: mr_z
Possible. But IMO there is a package the Habs can offer for 2nd overall. Unlike what most would like to claim.


There's definitely a way for MTL to get #2.
It's just that none of the pieces you suggested will be part of such a package.
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May 29, 2022 at 11:56 a.m.
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Can you give one legit argument on why the Devils would even think to do any of this?

Likely not seeing a legit 1st until 2025? Having to house the husk that is Drouin? C'mon man...this is bad


This trade is pretty good ... Farrell and Ghule are the best prospect you could dream of and they are still in the shadows ... but they will 100% make NHL players .... where on the other hand just having a better ceilling with one choice is not always an option wink
May 29, 2022 at 11:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Tintin
There's definitely a way for MTL to get #2.
It's just that none of the pieces you suggested will be part of such a package.


Thanks for your opinion.
May 29, 2022 at 11:57 a.m.
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Possible. But IMO there is a package the Habs can offer for 2nd overall. Unlike what most would like to claim.


Agreed, valuations on this site are wildly off from reality and I think many are going to be surprised when moves are actually made. There is a package for 2OA, but I doubt the prospect pool gets hemorrhaged for it.
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May 29, 2022 at 11:58 a.m.
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Has to include one of-
- Suzuki
- Caufield
- Unprotected 2023 1st
May 29, 2022 at 11:58 a.m.
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Petry to Dallas makes sense, especially if they lose Klingberg.
Taking on Khudobin's contract back would help the trade do through.
Not sure they'd give Dellandrea though as they'll need cheap prospect ready to come in soon. Most likely trading for Petry vs picks.

Washington just traded Vrana and a 1st for Mantha, not sure they'd let him go for Hoffman and a couple of picks since.
Also, he hasn't pan out in Detroit or Washington. I'm not sure I'd want to take on his contract considering Mtl already have overpaid and under producing guys on the lineup.
Both Hoffman and Mantha have 2 years left. At this point, I'd prefer to save the 1.2mil per year with Hoffman instead of retaining half and having to end up paying 3.5mil extra to get Mantha.
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May 29, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Can you give one legit argument on why the Devils would even think to do any of this?

Likely not seeing a legit 1st until 2025? Having to house the husk that is Drouin? C'mon man...this is bad


Devil's save cap on a similar Tatar player. You gain a legit top pairing dmen D+2 and a legit top LW that will be NHL ready after his last year NCAA. And 3 very good picks.

Perhaps you should watch more hockey. Less EA.
May 29, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Has to include one of-
- Suzuki
- Caufield
- Unprotected 2023 1st


Silly. When has this EVER happened? Wake up.
May 29, 2022 at 12:05 p.m.
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Retool aaand Tank. Thanks.


The assets you'd have to give up to move some of these contracts isn't worth it, if the plan is to tank anyway. NSH isn't going to take Armia off your hands, just to be nice.
May 29, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
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Devil's save cap on a similar Tatar player. You gain a legit top pairing dmen D+2 and a legit top LW that will be NHL ready after his last year NCAA. And 3 very good picks.

Perhaps you should watch more hockey. Less EA.


Guile is a good prospect, but the Devils already have a bunch of LHD. Farrell is your 8th best prospect and isn't built for NHL size at 5'9. He put up good stats on a very deep Harvard team (I watch the ECAC) but isn't any much of a sure thing.

The Devils have far more of a deeper core now and need quality not quantity.

You aren't filling the needs the Devild gave, you are just focusing on the needs for MTL.
May 29, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
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The assets you'd have to give up to move some of these contracts isn't worth it, if the plan is to tank anyway. NSH isn't going to take Armia off your hands, just to be nice.


Thanks for your opinion.
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May 29, 2022 at 12:07 p.m.
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Silly. When has this EVER happened? Wake up.


Seriously?

The 2nd overall pick has never been traded for players at the draft in cap era. Whoever is asking for that pick is breaking historical norms.
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May 29, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
They shouldn't give their best prospect over a gamble !! Trade Norlinder or Tuch okay but never ever think about trading our next mountain man Ghule or a new Suzuki in Farell !


Until they make the NHL and produce, Guhle and Farrell are also gambles.
What if Guhle tops as a 5th dman and Farrell never makes the team?
Not saying this is what is going to happen but you never know with prospects.
You have the opportunity to get the 2nd overall pick for a mid/late 1st round prospect + a 4th round prospect, you think about it.

Remember when Reway was producing in the Q and when he dominated the U20 in Mtl at an 18yo?
Some people were calling him a sure thing and a steal as a 4th round pick.

Remember when some called Rivet, Souray and I can't even remember who was the other one the next "big 3", comparing them to Savard, Robinson and Lapointe?

Guhle and Farrell sure look good now but, until they do it in the NHL, they are still gambles.
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Guile is a good prospect, but the Devils already have a bunch of LHD. Farrell is your 8th best prospect and isn't built for NHL size at 5'9. He put up good stats on a very deep Harvard team (I watch the ECAC) but isn't any much of a sure thing.

The Devils have far more of a deeper core now and need quality not quantity.

You aren't filling the needs the Devild gave, you are just focusing on the needs for MTL.


Farrell has torn up every league and every age group. Furthermore, is doing really well at WC.

Cmon after Hughes there is nobody challenging Guhle more foward at LD for the Devils.

I appreciate you opinion though. Thanks.
May 29, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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Seriously?

The 2nd overall pick has never been traded for players at the draft in cap era. Whoever is asking for that pick is breaking historical norms.


Yes and expecting legit establish top line players is rational for a maybe prospect, no matter the selection????
May 29, 2022 at 12:17 p.m.
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Until they make the NHL and produce, Guhle and Farrell are also gambles.
What if Guhle tops as a 5th dman and Farrell never makes the team?
Not saying this is what is going to happen but you never know with prospects.
You have the opportunity to get the 2nd overall pick for a mid/late 1st round prospect + a 4th round prospect, you think about it.

Remember when Reway was producing in the Q and when he dominated the U20 in Mtl at an 18yo?
Some people were calling him a sure thing and a steal as a 4th round pick.

Remember when some called Rivet, Souray and I can't even remember who was the other one the next "big 3", comparing them to Savard, Robinson and Lapointe?

Guhle and Farrell sure look good now but, until they do it in the NHL, they are still gambles.


Exactly. All trades are essentially gambles. And, Slafkovsky could bust. Who knows.

Thanks for the great post.
May 29, 2022 at 12:19 p.m.
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Farrell has torn up every league and every age group. Furthermore, is doing really well at WC.

Cmon after Hughes there is nobody challenging Guhle more foward at LD for the Devils.

I appreciate you opinion though. Thanks.


I agree that Guhle would be the second best LHD, but that's just getting more in an area that isn't a weakness. If he was RHD, I could see a package with one of those, but the CGY pick being so late in not a great draft, and then pushing off the other 1st for likely three years just doesn't seen reasonable, especially for a GM on a short leash now.
May 29, 2022 at 12:20 p.m.
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While this is better than almost all the other offers, I still doubt the devils do it. It definitely made me consider though, as opposed to laugh.
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May 29, 2022 at 12:21 p.m.
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While this is better than almost all the other offers, I still doubt the devils do it. It definitely made me consider though, as opposed to laugh.


Thank you for the rational response lol
 
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