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Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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Quoting: DQPWC
He has scored 20 goals once in his career, and his nightmare contract makes it a lot different than the 3 rentals you talk about as a comparable situation.


Yeah if the isles dumped Bailey to get Anderson it would probably end up being a disaster. Maybe Barzal can carry him but idk.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:46 p.m.
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You don’t want Anderson but still managed a god awful trade for him. Anderson is 10 time more valuable for a team then Palmeiri. 6’3’’ 225 pounds players skating like
The wind and who can score 20 goal regularly are precious. How many players in the NHL can do that. There a reason why there such interest in him. People always complaining about salary and points but there a lot more then that in a Hockey game. You should be the first to acknowledge that with adam Pelech who might be a top 5 defender in the Nhl but since he doesn’t put number on the stats sheet are under the radar. Anderson is the kind of players that were down the opponents shift after shift. He create a lot of chance of the rush with is speed and ability to cut in front of the net. Montreal won’t trade him away unless they get a great return. This is the same old story again, that happen with Chiarot, Lehkonen and Kulak.


Sorry bud, you can't compare trades with players on expiring contracts and that contending teams try to upgrade for a Cup push to Anderson's 5.5m X 5 contract.

He's at his peak a 35 point player. And in today's flat cap league not worth his 5.5m contract. Teams can sign better UFA players for 5.5m
Heck the Leafs had two wingers with about same offensive stats as Anderson....Engvall and Mikheyev and they aren't getting 5.5m on their new contracts. Of course Engvall and Mikheyev were plus players not a minus 25 like Anderson.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
I never said they mentioned any of that, I said they reported on multiple teams being interested.


I’m pretty sure we had this convo before…
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:47 p.m.
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Trading Raty for Fiala would represent a massive organizational failing.


Not saying you should, but without Raty I don't see a way that the Islanders can put forth a competitive offer.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:47 p.m.
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Trading Raty for Fiala would represent a massive organizational failing.


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Trading Raty for Fiala would represent a massive organizational failing.


It won't be Raty, Guerin still wants to compete next year so it'll be a guy on an ELC who has shown he's an NHL player. Wally and the 1st is the most likely scenario imo. I dont love giving up the pick, but gotta give to get.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:47 p.m.
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JOSH BAILEY IN THE TOP 6 REALLLY ?????? WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON IN LIFE


Reports of Bailey’s demise have been greatly exaggerated. Isles would probably be better off to have him in the top six than Anderson lmao.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:48 p.m.
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Not saying you should, but without Raty I don't see a way that the Islanders can put forth a competitive offer.


I'm not a Wild fan, so if you could tell me what other teams could supposedly offer I'd be interested. Idk how many teams are out there that could afford Fiala's cap hit yet couldn't afford Gaudreau/Forsberg, which also makes me think Isles will be the spot. Wahlstrom has shown he's an NHL player at least, and a guy with some scoring pop. I don't think he fits with any of the Isles centers, which is why I'm fine moving him with the 1st here. Seems like a pretty good offer to me if I'm Guerin, I get a guy who I can at least try in my top 6 and a top-15 draft pick.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
Not saying you should, but without Raty I don't see a way that the Islanders can put forth a competitive offer.


I think we all say stuff like this before an actual trade happens and we r normally disappointed. I’m not criticizing you specifically tho so I’m sorry if I made it seem that way.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:50 p.m.
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I'm not a Wild fan, so if you could tell me what other teams could supposedly offer I'd be interested. Wahlstrom has shown he's an NHL player at least, and a guy with some scoring pop. I don't think he fits with any of the Isles centers, which is why I'm fine moving him with the 1st here. Seems like a pretty good offer to me if I'm Guerin, I get a guy who I can at least try in my top 6 and a top-15 draft pick.


Honestly I don’t get why isles would be eager to make that move. That’s a lot to give up considering this team is probably a couple years away from cup contention.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:53 p.m.
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Honestly I don’t get why isles would be eager to make that move. That’s a lot to give up considering this team is probably a couple years away from cup contention.


They have a top 3 goalie in the league and absolutely nothing in the system, with a core that was right there just last year. Don't think they're at all a couple years away, and if they are, then they should be moving Nelson, Lee, and maybe even Barzal. Also an 80 year old GM isn't interested in rebuilding.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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They have a top 3 goalie in the league and absolutely nothing in the system, with a core that was right there just last year. Don't think they're at all a couple years away, and if they are, someone should tell em. Also an 80 year old GM isn't interested in rebuilding.


They have elite goaltending and a strong right side on d. But that forward core is so much worse than what the Avs and Tampa have won with. I just can’t see it without a big step forward by the younger talent they have.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:56 p.m.
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They have a top 3 goalie in the league and absolutely nothing in the system, with a core that was right there just last year. Don't think they're at all a couple years away, and if they are, then they should be moving Nelson, Lee, Barzal. Also an 80 year old GM isn't interested in rebuilding.


No interest in moving Barzal along with Nelson and Lee.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:58 p.m.
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They have elite goaltending and a strong right side on d. But that forward core is so much worse than what the Avs and Tampa have won with. I just can’t see it without a big step forward by the younger talent they have.


I disagree, I think we're stronger down the middle than both those teams. Granted both obviously have better 1Cs, but I like Nelson more than either Cirelli or Kadri and definitely prefer Pageau to their 3C's. I'm willing to write off the year and go for it, and I really think they have to while Sorokin only costs 4mil.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:59 p.m.
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The only proposal here that isn't ridiculous is the Varlamov one, but it was rumoured that he didn't want to go to Edmonton.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:59 p.m.
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I disagree, I think we're stronger down the middle than both those teams. Granted both obviously have better 1Cs, but I like Nelson more than either Cirelli or Kadri and definitely prefer Pageau to their 3C's. I'm willing to write off the year and go for it, and I really think they have to while Sorokin only costs 4mil.


I’m not saying they have to bottom out but that doesn’t mean they r in a position to go all in. Patience will be key here.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 4:59 p.m.
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No interest in moving Barzal along with Nelson and Lee.


Well I don't want to either, but if you think they're a couple years away, they should be doing whatever they can to bottom out this year hope the ping pong balls bounce their way.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.
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I disagree, I think we're stronger down the middle than both those teams. Granted both obviously have better 1Cs, but I like Nelson more than either Cirelli or Kadri and definitely prefer Pageau to their 3C's. I'm willing to write off the year and go for it, and I really think they have to while Sorokin only costs 4mil.


I think adding a left handed defenseman is all they should do. Then the team can reevaluate at the deadline. Obviously if they could get Johnny Hockey or Filip Forsberg that plan changes. But to do that they have to move some combo of Bailey, Beau and Varly anyway.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:02 p.m.
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Well I don't want to either, but if you think they're a couple years away, they should be doing whatever they can to bottom out this year hope the ping pong balls bounce their way.


Colorado and Tampa were built on guys they drafted and developed. Lou tried to skip steps with the Pageau and Palmieri deals and handed out overpriced contracts in free agency. All I’m saying is maybe they r more conservative and try to build a sustainable roster.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
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It won't be Raty, Guerin still wants to compete next year so it'll be a guy on an ELC who has shown he's an NHL player. Wally and the 1st is the most likely scenario imo. I dont love giving up the pick, but gotta give to get.


The ELC to replace Fiala is Rossi. Raty would be for two years from now when Hartman’s contract expires.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
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Leddy wanted 4 x 4 to remain in Detroit, He's not taking that low ball offer.

Not even close for Jakob Chychrun, Quality for quality not quantity for quality.

Varlamov already said no to Edmonton, basically all Canadian teams are on his no trade list.

Way too much for Kevin Fiala, And he's going to get more then 7 x 7 at least 7 x 7.5.


I agree with everything but the Fiala trade value

Over 3x production in all situations and at even strength. Wahlstrom he wasn't a formidable two way player last season and he's never even hit .5 P/GP in a season yet. His peak defensive impacts came in Trotz's system.

If that and a mid first round pick aren't worth a guy that has produced at P/GP rate when he's had just competent* offensive help around him, idk what to say, honestly.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
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Well I don't want to either, but if you think they're a couple years away, they should be doing whatever they can to bottom out this year hope the ping pong balls bounce their way.


I think Barzal, Dobson and Sorokin is a good core. But the next step for that team probably has to come from guys like Raty.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:04 p.m.
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I agree with everything but the Fiala trade value

Over 3x production in all situations and at even strength. Wahlstrom he wasn't a formidable two way player last season and he's never even hit .5 P/GP in a season yet. His peak defensive impacts came in Trotz's system.

If that and a mid first round pick aren't worth a guy that has produced at P/GP rate when he's had just competent* offensive help around him, idk what to say, honestly.



Wahlstrom was probably hurt by trotz as much as any islander this year
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.
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I never said they mentioned any of that, I said they reported on multiple teams being interested.

Edit** the return is based off of supply and demand. As demand goes up so do the prices.

The same old story again and again. People won’t even acknowledged their wrongness if Anderson is traded and Montreal get a haul of a return. I don’t expect Hugues to trade Anderson unless he get a top 15 pick and a solid prospect or young players or a top prospect.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:13 p.m.
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Sorry bud, you can't compare trades with players on expiring contracts and that contending teams try to upgrade for a Cup push to Anderson's 5.5m X 5 contract.

He's at his peak a 35 point player. And in today's flat cap league not worth his 5.5m contract. Teams can sign better UFA players for 5.5m
Heck the Leafs had two wingers with about same offensive stats as Anderson....Engvall and Mikheyev and they aren't getting 5.5m on their new contracts. Of course Engvall and Mikheyev were plus players not a minus 25 like Anderson.


I haven’t compare any of those players i just said that people have undervalued all these players just like they do again with Anderson. That all what a was implied. If Anderson get traded it won’t be any less then a top 15 pick and a solid prospect or a top prospect +.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 5:16 p.m.
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I'm not a Wild fan, so if you could tell me what other teams could supposedly offer I'd be interested. Idk how many teams are out there that could afford Fiala's cap hit yet couldn't afford Gaudreau/Forsberg, which also makes me think Isles will be the spot. Wahlstrom has shown he's an NHL player at least, and a guy with some scoring pop. I don't think he fits with any of the Isles centers, which is why I'm fine moving him with the 1st here. Seems like a pretty good offer to me if I'm Guerin, I get a guy who I can at least try in my top 6 and a top-15 draft pick.

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