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Fair price for Miller

Created by: NMAvsFan
Team: 2022-23 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 18, 2022
Published: Jul. 18, 2022
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I know Canucks fans are expecting a king's ransom if JTM is moved but would this return be acceptable? You get a useful F with Cup experience, a cheap, NHL-ready F that needs a chance and some nice futures; not asking for retention. Avs get Miller and keep everyone else. I'm going to do a follow-up where the Avs actually keep Miller.
Free Agent Signings
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3$2,000,000
1$750,000
Trades
VAN
  1. Compher, J.T.
  2. Kaut, Martin
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
  4. 2023 5th round pick (COL)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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22$82,500,000$82,452,500$25,000$3,562,500$47,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$912,500$912,500 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$908,333$908,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
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UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$987,500$987,500
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 2
$750,000$750,000
C
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:09 p.m.
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Those 2 forwards would likely be fourth liners on our team. Third liner at best. No good prospects, no top 4RHD. How about you give us a 99 point player for Pearson, Lockwood, a first and a fifth?
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:09 p.m.
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Not even close. Though I think Girard may hold the key to any deal for Miller to Colorado. He doesn't fit our team directly but the assets from dealing him or a three way trade could work.

If Kadri doesn't sign, Miller to Col does make a some sense.
Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:14 p.m.
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Those 2 forwards would likely be fourth liners on our team. Third liner at best. No good prospects, no top 4RHD. How about you give us a 99 point player for Pearson, Lockwood, a first and a fifth?


GTFO with that crap; JTC is a middle six player on a Cup winner; he filled in at 2C while Kadri was out. Kaut has 3rd line potential and he's cheap.
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:16 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
Not even close. Though I think Girard may hold the key to any deal for Miller to Colorado. He doesn't fit our team directly but the assets from dealing him or a three way trade could work.

If Kadri doesn't sign, Miller to Col does make a some sense.


Yeah, I'm not figuring out a 3-way trade. If the Avs included Olausson, would that increase the interest?
Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.
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Couver fans gunna want Byram, Newhook, and then some lmao
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.
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Couver fans gunna want Byram, Newhook, and then some lmao


Well, of course they are, lmao. I guess if the Avs want to re-sign Miller, maybe they do send Newhook in a deal. But they sure as hell aren't sending both.
Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.
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I’d swap Kaut out for a dman. Maybe Barron, Timmins, or Helleson.
Oh, wait.
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:23 p.m.
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Well, of course they are, lmao. I guess if the Avs want to re-sign Miller, maybe they do send Newhook in a deal. But they sure as hell aren't sending both.


I was just poking fun at some of the crazy trade proposals I’ve seen on here. The guys is a rental ffs
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:26 p.m.
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Embarrassing offer for miller
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:27 p.m.
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I’d swap Kaut out for a dman. Maybe Barron, Timmins, or Helleson.
Oh, wait.


All three of them were traded away last season.
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:28 p.m.
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I was just poking fun at some of the crazy trade proposals I’ve seen on here. The guys is a rental ffs


Yeah, the ask for JTM gets pretty silly. I mean, he is a great player but most of these fans are like, "If you don't offer two 1sts, Byram and Newhook, they just hang up the phone." I actually wouldn't be terribly surprised if JTM stays in VAN, especially if they make the playoffs; Canucks would just let Horvat walk in that case but they'd end up with the better player.
Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:31 p.m.
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All three of them were traded away last season.


I know. Seller was asking for RD. Aren’t any left.

Nick Leiverman looked pretty good last year. He played some RD with Stastney.
Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:31 p.m.
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GTFO with that crap; JTC is a middle six player on a Cup winner; he filled in at 2C while Kadri was out. Kaut has 3rd line potential and he's cheap.


Problem is the Canucks' Top-9 is already pretty set, even without Miller.

Canucks need defense, which is the whole reason why the Canucks are looking at moving out one of Miller/Garland/Pearson/Höglander.
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:34 p.m.
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GTFO with that crap; JTC is a middle six player on a Cup winner; he filled in at 2C while Kadri was out. Kaut has 3rd line potential and he's cheap.


Yeah sure he could make our third line center. I’ll give you that. What about Kaur? No place in our lineup except fourth line. We are stacked at wing
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:35 p.m.
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Yeah, the ask for JTM gets pretty silly. I mean, he is a great player but most of these fans are like, "If you don't offer two 1sts, Byram and Newhook, they just hang up the phone." I actually wouldn't be terribly surprised if JTM stays in VAN, especially if they make the playoffs; Canucks would just let Horvat walk in that case but they'd end up with the better player.


Wel you can include at least one valuable piece. You don’t get 99 point players for third liners. A good prospect and a first is not exactly unreasonable for a guy who has been a point per game for the past 3 seasons
Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:36 p.m.
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Quoting: SlevinKalevra
Couver fans gunna want Byram, Newhook, and then some lmao

Byram Newhook and a first is not the same has Compher Kaur and a first. Since when is it unreasonable to want valuable assets for their valuable players. A couple third liners for Miller is not exactly fair
Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:39 p.m.
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Compher is fine for the 3rd line and the 1st is good but Vancouver would want a good defensive prospect or a good young defenseman preferably right handed
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:43 p.m.
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Byram Newhook and a first is not the same has Compher Kaur and a first. Since when is it unreasonable to want valuable assets for their valuable players. A couple third liners for Miller is not exactly fair


It's the dismissiveness that people come back with. Just say, "We need a better piece coming back. How about Newhook, a 1st and JTC?" or, "We actually need D so how about Girard, a 1st and JTC?" If you're going to reject the proposal, say why and what it would take to make the trade happen.
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Compher is fine for the 3rd line and the 1st is good but Vancouver would want a good defensive prospect or a good young defenseman preferably right handed


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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:49 p.m.
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Yeah, I'm not figuring out a 3-way trade. If the Avs included Olausson, would that increase the interest?


No I don't think he moves the needle. We need a RD with top 4 upside or a very good prospect, 1st round pick. B level prospects aren't gonna do much, certainly not to build the trade around.

Would have had huge interest in Helleson or Baron though. Can't argue with how Burnaby Joe spent those assets though.
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 7:52 p.m.
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It's the dismissiveness that people come back with. Just say, "We need a better piece coming back. How about Newhook, a 1st and JTC?" or, "We actually need D so how about Girard, a 1st and JTC?" If you're going to reject the proposal, say why and what it would take to make the trade happen.


Sorry for sounding rude, I’ve just seen a lot of unrealistic trades in my time here, and whenever I suggest a different trade proposal, the OP pretty much always says “that player is untouchable”, or “you’re wrong, X player is overrated”. I said what I said to make the OP think about the trade and see if it is fair if I made an example from their POV
Jul. 18, 2022 at 8:29 p.m.
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Byram Newhook and a first is not the same has Compher Kaur and a first. Since when is it unreasonable to want valuable assets for their valuable players. A couple third liners for Miller is not exactly fair


It was a joke. I didn’t say a single thing about the offer above. Which I do agree isn’t good enough. Lighten up
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 8:41 p.m.
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It was a joke. I didn’t say a single thing about the offer above. Which I do agree isn’t good enough. Lighten up


Sorry Master SlevinKalevra
Jul. 18, 2022 at 8:42 p.m.
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Sorry Master SlevinKalevra


You’re forgiven 😂
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Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:59 p.m.
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How would you feel if someone offered an identical package like that for Nathan MacKinnon?
 
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