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Why the Panthers got fleeced

Created by: hairyberry
Team: 2022-23 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 23, 2022
Published: Jul. 23, 2022
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I know most people already agree with this, but just wanted to lay out the sheer value sent to the Flames. People will say "Oh but Weegar and Huberdeau are UFAs this year!". Doesn't matter; it's about value in vs. value out.

Imagine trading Huberdeau and Weegar before the season/at the deadline for futures. This is what I've done here in deals that I think are fair value-wise. These are NOT meant to be realistic trades in the sense that it makes sense for any of these teams. They're just supposed to represent fair value.

Now, look at the return for Huberdeau and Weegar. Would you trade all of that, PLUS a 1st, plus a prospect for Tkachuk? Imo, when it's laid out like this, it's hard to argue for Florida's asset management.
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. 2023 1st round pick (EDM)
2.
CGY
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Lohrei, Mason [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (BOS)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$82,500,000$59,762,500$0$377,500$22,737,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,125,000$2,125,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000 (Performance Bonus$200,000$200K)
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$177,500$178K)
RW
RFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
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NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,550,000$1,550,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$912,500$912,500
LD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:43 a.m.
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Weegar doesn't net that return
Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:45 a.m.
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It's a gamble by Treliving, but that's why he gets paid more than us.

If he can extend both, it's a really good deal for the Flames
Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:45 a.m.
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As long as Treliving sticks to his guns and makes the hard choice to trade Weegar and Huberdeau at the TDL instead of going for it, you are absolutely correct. This is WIN-WIN for the Flames. Whether they resign or not. Florida was never going to sell at the TDL after giving up their 2023, 2024 1sts.

Calgary had the flexibility to make this trade and Florida keeps chasing lost dreams
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Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:46 a.m.
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Quoting: VijayPatel11
Weegar doesn't net that return


A top pair RHD for $3.25m absolutely nets a first and a prospect at the deadline. If anything Weegar is worth more than that. ****ing Ben Chiarot just got a 1st at last season's deadline.
Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:49 a.m.
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It's a gamble by Treliving, but that's why he gets paid more than us.

If he can extend both, it's a really good deal for the Flames


Even if he can't resign either of them and needs to ship them out for futures, the value he'll get out of trading Huberdeau AND Weegar at the deadline AND a 2025 1st AND a prospect is definitely more than whatever futures he would've gotten for Tkachuk alone at the deadline.
Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:51 a.m.
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Quoting: hairyberry
Even if he can't resign either of them and needs to ship them out for futures, the value he'll get out of trading Huberdeau AND Weegar at the deadline AND a 2025 1st AND a prospect is definitely more than whatever futures he would've gotten for Tkachuk alone at the deadline.


Oh for sure.

The issue is that the Pacific isn't fantastic and the Flames should be in the playoff mix at worst.

Treliving absolutely needs to hammer down a Huberdeau extension. They may need to overpay. Can't imagine how Huberdeau is feeling, going from South Florida to Alberta.
Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:52 a.m.
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You forget that Florida is thinking this trade in a much longer scale.

They were well aware that their current financial position did not allow them to extend both Huberdeau and Weegar, potentially neither of them. Both of them are also approaching their 30s, so it's very likely that they have peaked right about now.

They have shifted this whole issue they had with these players to Calgary, and got in exchange the best power forward in the league, signed to a max term deal with reasonable cap hit, and crucially he is only 24 years old.

On a short term Florida definitely compromised a lot of value, but long term I think it's much more likely that FLA is going to end up being the winners.

And if CGY is unable to sign these newfound assets to their team with long-term deals that are likely going to look ugly in years to come, that win is going to be theirs even sooner. Huberdeau is turning 30 and looking at an 8 year deal at 10-11 million in cap, with Weegar probably getting the same term at $7M dollars. How long are they going to be worth those deals? Not for too long I'd wager.
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Jul. 23, 2022 at 1:14 a.m.
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Short term yes, Calgary fleeced and when you consider the position they were in this is a great haul but at the same time if Huberdeau leaves in a year then it’s a far different situation

From floridas perspective Weegar is gone anyways and Paying Tkachuk 8x9.5>paying Huberdeau 8x10

Gonna be verrrrry interesting to see how it plays out tho
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Jul. 23, 2022 at 1:14 a.m.
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I think it’s a win win, but I like it better for Calgary. If Huberdeau or even Weegar stick around or net big returns at the deadline this trade becomes a pretty massive Calgary win pretty quickly. But it is worth noting that Florida will still have 8 years of Tkachuk so can’t exactly call them losers.
Jul. 23, 2022 at 1:18 a.m.
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You forget that Florida is thinking this trade in a much longer scale.

They were well aware that their current financial position did not allow them to extend both Huberdeau and Weegar, potentially neither of them. Both of them are also approaching their 30s, so it's very likely that they have peaked right about now.

They have shifted this whole issue they had with these players to Calgary, and got in exchange the best power forward in the league, signed to a max term deal with reasonable cap hit, and crucially he is only 24 years old.

On a short term Florida definitely compromised a lot of value, but long term I think it's much more likely that FLA is going to end up being the winners.

And if CGY is unable to sign these newfound assets to their team with long-term deals that are likely going to look ugly in years to come, that win is going to be theirs even sooner. Huberdeau is turning 30 and looking at an 8 year deal at 10-11 million in cap, with Weegar probably getting the same term at $7M dollars. How long are they going to be worth those deals? Not for too long I'd wager.


I agree, Flr only really gets fleeced if Tkachuk is doing the fleecing (aka he's a PPG player at best and not elite defensively), and CGY should be able to at least retain the value of at least 4 firsts (worst case 3) which is the best case scenario or get their Gaudreau replacement/upgrade.

I don't think Calgary will sign Weegar and they don't really need to anyways, they can let him walk as a rental if they resign Huberdeau.

Calgary does get an L if Huberdeau doesn't get 11 from Backlund and takes 13. I already saw on twitter someone converting their Gaudreau jersey to a Huberdeau one.
Jul. 23, 2022 at 4:39 p.m.
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You forget that Florida is thinking this trade in a much longer scale.

They were well aware that their current financial position did not allow them to extend both Huberdeau and Weegar, potentially neither of them. Both of them are also approaching their 30s, so it's very likely that they have peaked right about now.


Did you read the description? I'm not forgetting this, I'm pointing out that even taking into account the ages and contact statuses, Florida still payed an awful lot.

From CGY's perspective, they knew Tkachuk was leaving. If they had signed him to a 1 year deal through arbitration, they would have had to trade him as a rental at the deadline. Now, they are at least in a position where they have a winger who, as a rental, is of similar value to Tkachuk, plus a top pair RHD, plus a 1st and a prospect. The fact that they added all this doesn't bode well for Florida's asset management.
Jul. 23, 2022 at 5:50 p.m.
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Quoting: hairyberry
Did you read the description? I'm not forgetting this, I'm pointing out that even taking into account the ages and contact statuses, Florida still payed an awful lot.

From CGY's perspective, they knew Tkachuk was leaving. If they had signed him to a 1 year deal through arbitration, they would have had to trade him as a rental at the deadline. Now, they are at least in a position where they have a winger who, as a rental, is of similar value to Tkachuk, plus a top pair RHD, plus a 1st and a prospect. The fact that they added all this doesn't bode well for Florida's asset management.


On a vacuum yes, they paid a staggering amount. But when looking at the bigger picture the price they paid, while somewhat excessive, actually makes some sense.
 
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