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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #10 - Kadri oh Kadri, wherefore art thou Kadri?

Aug. 4, 2022 at 9:36 a.m.
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Way too much for Wood
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 9:42 a.m.
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Way too much for Wood


Isn't his QO 3.5m? He probably wants term, but that's a great exit for him
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:05 a.m.
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I’m not convinced PK can be trusted with that responsibility at this point in time.
Two years he really struggled on the Devils 2nd pair but had a decent last year on the 3rd.
If the Devils were to trade Severson in the near future I really wouldn’t mind having PK back for another year in Jersey until Nemec is ready.


yeah i doubt he can be a good second pair guy but he can be a body who can play there
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:05 a.m.
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I’d say there is about 11 teams that need to move out a contract to get cap compliant, move a player out to sign a RFA or FA, or too many FWDs/Ds and could lose someone to waivers.
BOS - Foligno
CAR - Gardiner
CGY - Välimäki
EDM - Foegele
FLA - Hornqvist
LAK - Walker
MTL - Hoffman
NYI - Nelson
SEA - Donskoi
WPG - Dillon
VGS - Martinez

Not saying these will be all the players but certainly teams that will need to make a roster decision

Edit:
TOR - Kerfoot
Of course I forgot him


to me, the only teams that NEED to clear cap right now are TOR EDM CAR VGK
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:10 a.m.
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to me, the only teams that NEED to clear cap right now are TOR EDM CAR VGK


VGK isn't a need though cause they have Weber who goes to LTIR right?
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:15 a.m.
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Quoting: pinslack
to me, the only teams that NEED to clear cap right now are TOR EDM CAR VGK


CAR still has Necas to sign
BOS has Bergeron + Krejčí to sign
FLA - would like to add a piece to that Dcore
MTL - still has Dach to sign
NYI - Kadri is a possibility
SEA - has too many forwards
WPG - could lose a Dman to waivers
CGY - could lose a Dman to waivers

As a guess
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:30 a.m.
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CAR still has Necas to sign
BOS has Bergeron + Krejčí to sign
FLA - would like to add a piece to that Dcore
MTL - still has Dach to sign
NYI - Kadri is a possibility
SEA - has too many forwards
WPG - could lose a Dman to waivers
CGY - could lose a Dman to waivers

As a guess


How could we lose a Defenceman to waivers?
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:33 a.m.
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CAR still has Necas to sign
BOS has Bergeron + Krejčí to sign
FLA - would like to add a piece to that Dcore
MTL - still has Dach to sign
NYI - Kadri is a possibility
SEA - has too many forwards
WPG - could lose a Dman to waivers
CGY - could lose a Dman to waivers

As a guess

NJD also has too many forwards (Tatar buyout?) Not necessarily a cap move but from roster construction
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
CAR still has Necas to sign
BOS has Bergeron + Krejčí to sign
FLA - would like to add a piece to that Dcore
MTL - still has Dach to sign
NYI - Kadri is a possibility
SEA - has too many forwards
WPG - could lose a Dman to waivers
CGY - could lose a Dman to waivers

As a guess


Quoting: pinslack
to me, the only teams that NEED to clear cap right now are TOR EDM CAR VGK



Everyone’s forgetting SJS REQUIRE movement to fit in their cap.
They have 2m in space; with Ferraro (2.5-3.5m realistically), and Gregor (1m+).

They have 12 forwards, NOT INCLUDING EKLUND/ BORDELEAU if they make it. NOR including Labanc who god knows what the plan is there.

7 Dmen NOT including Knyzhov if he’s in shape for the NHL season.

And they have 3 goalies with no inkling that they want to move on from either of them until the season starts and see who takes the net.

Ferraros contract takes up more than their available cap space - and if Knyzhov, Eklund, Bordeleau earn their spots back, SJS would have well over 23 skaters but in need of cap space.

It’s quite interesting as I would say nearly half the league needs movement with SJS being an example of a team that doesn’t need, but REQUIRES something to happen, and only more headaches if their rookies can make the team.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.
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I’m not convinced PK can be trusted with that responsibility at this point in time.
Two years he really struggled on the Devils 2nd pair but had a decent last year on the 3rd.
If the Devils were to trade Severson in the near future I really wouldn’t mind having PK back for another year in Jersey until Nemec is ready.


Florida is his best bet
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:39 a.m.
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How could we lose a Defenceman to waivers?


Välimäki doesn’t have a spot, Mackey would require waivers. CGY is moving a Dman
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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NJD also has too many forwards (Tatar buyout?) Not necessarily a cap move but from roster construction


Good call, NJD too. A lot of players not enough teams
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:42 a.m.
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More likely Holl as honestly I feel Kerfoot might get kept. Yes there is risk but selling low on a 50 point guy just doesn't seem right and that to me is why he hasn't been moved yet

Or Gms are waiting for prices to increase again who knows


At this point trading Holl, unless you either want a 20 man roster, or you get Sandin for 1.2 or less, is not going to be enough savings.

Look at the leafs cap situation. With a 22 man roster on cap friendly they are 1.4 over the cap. Send 2 league min guys down and you’re under the cup, but with no Sandin. Unless Sandin takes a crazy bridge deal, his salary is going to be close enough to Holls that there’ll still only be enough space for a 20 man roster.

So, saying it the long winded way, you are wrong. The only way they keep Kerfoot is if they either sign Sandin really cheap (which isn’t happening), or they trade someone like Muzz or Willy (which also isn’t happening).
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:44 a.m.
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Välimäki doesn’t have a spot, Mackey would require waivers. CGY is moving a Dman


who would it be though? tanev? or could we see kylington or valimaki be moved
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:44 a.m.
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Everyone’s forgetting SJS REQUIRE movement to fit in their cap.
They have 2m in space; with Ferraro (2.5-3.5m realistically), and Gregor (1m+).

They have 12 forwards, NOT INCLUDING EKLUND/ BORDELEAU if they make it. NOR including Labanc who god knows what the plan is there.

7 Dmen NOT including Knyzhov if he’s in shape for the NHL season.

And they have 3 goalies with no inkling that they want to move on from either of them until the season starts and see who takes the net.

Ferraros contract takes up more than their available cap space - and if Knyzhov, Eklund, Bordeleau earn their spots back, SJS would have well over 23 skaters but in need of cap space.

It’s quite interesting as I would say nearly half the league needs movement with SJS being an example of a team that doesn’t need, but REQUIRES something to happen, and only more headaches if their rookies can make the team.


If you do an ACGM for San Jose and sign Ferraro/Gregor/Gadjovich to those figures you will see that once you assemble a 23 man NHL roster you will have a little over $1 million in cap space.

The current CapFriendly page that shows $2 million in space includes Merkley $863,333; Knyzhov $850,000; Viel $750,000; and Reedy $842,500 (maybe one of those forwards makes the team over Gadjovich) so that is nearly $3 million in space that drops down to the AHL roster and off the cap to make room for those RFA's
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:45 a.m.
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who would it be though? tanev? or could we see kylington or valimaki be moved


Tanev is out until around the Holidays so I would think it would happen around then if it does.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
NJD also has too many forwards (Tatar buyout?) Not necessarily a cap move but from roster construction


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Good call, NJD too. A lot of players not enough teams


Either Johnsson trade or if McLeod doesn't play
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:47 a.m.
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CAR still has Necas to sign
BOS has Bergeron + Krejčí to sign
FLA - would like to add a piece to that Dcore
MTL - still has Dach to sign
NYI - Kadri is a possibility
SEA - has too many forwards
WPG - could lose a Dman to waivers
CGY - could lose a Dman to waivers

As a guess


Boston also has Zacha to sign (arbitration)
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.
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CAR still has Necas to sign
BOS has Bergeron + Krejčí to sign
FLA - would like to add a piece to that Dcore
MTL - still has Dach to sign
NYI - Kadri is a possibility
SEA - has too many forwards
WPG - could lose a Dman to waivers
CGY - could lose a Dman to waivers

As a guess


I just finished a Flyers ACGM and they are over the cap with a 22 man roster. LTIR is going to help them, however with the exception of Fedotov all of their players are expected to return this year (obviously pending Ellis' recovery). When fully healthy they will struggle to be cap compliant. They don't need much but $2 million seems to be the number.

Besides JVR (50% retained) the next best candidates are Sanheim (50% retained) or Scott Laughton (if Morgan Frost thrives in the 3C role).
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:52 a.m.
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Välimäki doesn’t have a spot, Mackey would require waivers. CGY is moving a Dman


Valimaki is 7th right now. We could keep 8 up. I think we should trade Valimaki but it’s not a requirement
Aug. 4, 2022 at 11:15 a.m.
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Valimaki is 7th right now. We could keep 8 up. I think we should trade Valimaki but it’s not a requirement


I also did not realize Tanev would be out to start the season. That should push this back if so
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 11:16 a.m.
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CAR still has Necas to sign
BOS has Bergeron + Krejčí to sign
FLA - would like to add a piece to that Dcore
MTL - still has Dach to sign
NYI - Kadri is a possibility
SEA - has too many forwards
WPG - could lose a Dman to waivers
CGY - could lose a Dman to waivers

As a guess


LAK - need to move a Dman. with RFA's Anderson and Durzi still to sign they could be $2.3 million over the cap (assuming Walker is healthy) but have too many blueliners and a plethora of bottom 6 skaters.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 11:20 a.m.
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LAK - need to move a Dman. with RFA's Anderson and Durzi still to sign they could be $2.3 million over the cap (assuming Walker is healthy) but have too many blueliners and a plethora of bottom 6 skaters.


Ya, again, there is just a lot of teams that are in a position of having to move out salary. It's hard to see how this will all play out. Only a few teams left with cap space
Aug. 4, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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Ya, again, there is just a lot of teams that are in a position of having to move out salary. It's hard to see how this will all play out. Only a few teams left with cap space


It is pretty chaotic. Feels like the dominos are being setup and once they get moving it will be messy and fast with lots of regret later.

You could almost form an expansion team that would be better than Chicago or Arizona based on everyone's necessary "Cap casualties" this year and the UFA's that don't have the market they deserve. Maybe a barnstormer team could go play over in Europe! haha
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
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who would it be though? tanev? or could we see kylington or valimaki be moved


Vali most likely unless someone offers someone like Crouse or Trenin for Kylington
 
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