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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:34 a.m.
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    Alright, heres the diabolical plan.....PHI trade LD Travis Sanheim, Adam Brooks 5.3mil this year, and 2024 FLA 1st for Girard, THEN in off season before Sanheim hits UFA, you trade his rights back to PHI for a NYR 3rd.

    So you get Sanheim in 22-23 to partner on 3LD, Byram plays 2LD, and Brooks is a nice 13th forward and a 1st, late 3rd, and cap space in 23-24.

    Although, not sure why PHI in 23-24 would need provorov, girard, sanheim, ristolinen, deangelo, cam york (and Ellis)
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.
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    all depends on the cap, there is talk that it can rise as much as 10m in the next 1-2 seasons. Could be a pinch next year but then will even out.

    But the Dater stuff is 100% nonsense, that exclusive doesnt even provide a direct source claim, its based on his feelings of what he has heard. Nothing from Mackinnons camp, from an "NHL source". So 100% hersay based on his poor remaining connections in the NHL. This is is the same guy who tried to claim an exclusive that Giroux had a list of teams he would agree to go to, which included the Blues and Wild...that got dunked on instantly once he claimed it.
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:36 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    all depends on the cap, there is talk that it can rise as much as 10m in the next 1-2 seasons. Could be a pinch next year but then will even out.

    But the Dater stuff is 100% nonsense, that exclusive doesnt even provide a direct source claim, its based on his feelings of what he has heard. Nothing from Mackinnons camp, from an "NHL source". So 100% hersay based on his poor remaining connections in the NHL. This is is the same guy who tried to claim an exclusive that Giroux had a list of teams he would agree to go to, which included the Blues and Wild...that got dunked on instantly once he claimed it.


    I wouldn’t be shocked tho if it’s true especially now that he’s won a cup.
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:39 a.m.
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    I wouldn’t be shocked tho if it’s true especially now that he’s won a cup.


    I would be shocked bc it goes against everything mackinnon has said for years, how hes wired and presented himself, and goes against what the avs are currently doing.
    It was already reported that the Avs and mackinnon have a general framework of a contract prior to the cup win.

    Dater is just being Dater, trying to save his failing business with clickbait. The guy doesnt even follow the avs anymore, he lost his credentials bc of the question the previous offseason that pissed of Mackinnon. Dater is the lsat person to have any inside source info on mackinnon, the guy legit hates dater. He clowned on him in an interview before
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    I would be shocked bc it goes against everything mackinnon has said for years, how hes wired and presented himself, and goes against what the avs are currently doing.
    It was already reported that the Avs and mackinnon have a general framework of a contract prior to the cup win.

    Dater is just being Dater, trying to save his failing business with clickbait. The guy doesnt even follow the avs anymore, he lost his credentials bc of the question the previous offseason that pissed of Mackinnon. Dater is the lsat person to have any inside source info on mackinnon, the guy legit hates dater. He clowned on him in an interview before


    Ah ok that makes sense . It def generated more clicks 😂
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:44 a.m.
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    Ah ok that makes sense . It def generated more clicks 😂


    he does this from time to time, posts something, generates a lot of buzz, gets completetly shot down and then tweets out, oh man I should follow up wiht my sources more.
    He kept on trying to claim that Matt Murray was being traded to the Avs....they never had any interest. Same as MAF...avs never had interest.

    This is the same guy who creeped on BonksMullets wife, asking for full body pictures in her DMs, and when she refused started saying you dont know hockey bc youre a woman, same guy who got exposed as client of the cheating website Ashley Madison, then claimed life on teh road was too tough on him and he was lonetly once he got caught and fired from his jobs.

    they guy is one of the biggest pieces of poop associated with hockey media,
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.
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    A MacK discount might look different than we think of a discount. You see players like Crosby take a massive discount but that isn't necessarily the bar. Even if Mack signs for 12-12.5 it could be said that is below his value in UFA.
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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    While I really doubt the cap goes up 10mil in 2 yrs, (remember theres as many small cap floor teams as there are market powerhouses), MacK at 13mil isnt outside the realm of possibility, when Gaudreau/huberdeau/etc....are getting 10mil.

    And with Matthews/Marner up in 2 yrs time, and both in their late 20s, its not like they'll receive less than the 11mil they're getting now and theyd easily get up to 14 or even 15mil.

    Its a slightly different animal now then when a crosby would take alot less money for more years. MacK might say I want 11mil, but for 8 yrs, instead of 13 for 6.
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    While I really doubt the cap goes up 10mil in 2 yrs, (remember theres as many small cap floor teams as there are market powerhouses), MacK at 13mil isnt outside the realm of possibility, when Gaudreau/huberdeau/etc....are getting 10mil.

    And with Matthews/Marner up in 2 yrs time, and both in their late 20s, its not like they'll receive less than the 11mil they're getting now.


    Matthews will likely get 14.5-15 on his next contract especially if there’s talks the cap jumps in 2 years.
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:08 a.m.
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    A MacK discount might look different than we think of a discount. You see players like Crosby take a massive discount but that isn't necessarily the bar. Even if Mack signs for 12-12.5 it could be said that is below his value in UFA.


    Crosby didn't take a discount.
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:08 a.m.
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    While I really doubt the cap goes up 10mil in 2 yrs, (remember theres as many small cap floor teams as there are market powerhouses), MacK at 13mil isnt outside the realm of possibility, when Gaudreau/huberdeau/etc....are getting 10mil.

    And with Matthews/Marner up in 2 yrs time, and both in their late 20s, its not like they'll receive less than the 11mil they're getting now and theyd easily get up to 14 or even 15mil.

    Its a slightly different animal now then when a crosby would take alot less money for more years. MacK might say I want 11mil, but for 8 yrs, instead of 13 for 6.


    escrow will be paid off in a year or 2...once that is complete its projected that the cap will jump up as much as 10m. 95m cap limit was projected for 2025 season
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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    Matthews will likely get 14.5-15 on his next contract especially if there’s talks the cap jumps in 2 years.


    I think Matthews will get 14-15 even if the cap DOESN'T jump that much. The % raise is pretty fair too. Even if he performs as now and the cap only goes up 2mil a yr, and the Leafs still crash out, I think Matthews/Marner will get 14-15.
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:12 a.m.
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    escrow will be paid off in a year or 2...once that is complete its projected that the cap will jump up as much as 10m. 95m cap limit was projected for 2025 season


    I just cant see your small market clubs being able to take a 10mil jump in the cap floor. Teams like Buffalo and Arizona especially just couldn;t do it. After just 1mil the last 3 yrs, even a 2 or 3mil increase each year is impressive.

    And if the cap jumps that much, salaries will jump more in line with that. I cant see Matthews NOT wanting 17mil+ if the cap jumps that much
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: mondo
    Crosby didn't take a discount.


    It was definitely a different time then with huge term lengths so it could be said it wasn't a discount. That is a massive risk to teams going 12 years. Though he didn't move up in salary off his prior deal and stuck to 87.
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:14 a.m.
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    escrow will be paid off in a year or 2...once that is complete its projected that the cap will jump up as much as 10m. 95m cap limit was projected for 2025 season


    Lock everyone down now 😂😂
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:16 a.m.
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    I just cant see your small market clubs being able to take a 10mil jump in the cap floor. Teams like Buffalo and Arizona especially just couldn;t do it. After just 1mil the last 3 yrs, even a 2 or 3mil increase each year is impressive.

    And if the cap jumps that much, salaries will jump more in line with that. I cant see Matthews NOT wanting 17mil+ if the cap jumps that much


    We could see some interesting situations like the NBA had when the cap jumped.
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
    It was definitely a different time then with huge term lengths so it could be said it wasn't a discount. That is a massive risk to teams going 12 years. Though he didn't move up in salary off his prior deal and stuck to 87.


    When he signed it, it was worth 14.5% of the cap which is comparable with what Matthews was.

    The cap just went up. Also he's a top 10 hockey player of all time, not much of a gamble.
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:19 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    I just cant see your small market clubs being able to take a 10mil jump in the cap floor. Teams like Buffalo and Arizona especially just couldn;t do it. After just 1mil the last 3 yrs, even a 2 or 3mil increase each year is impressive.

    And if the cap jumps that much, salaries will jump more in line with that. I cant see Matthews NOT wanting 17mil+ if the cap jumps that much


    if the league is healthy, which the cap is based on revenue. There are revenue sharing for clubs. That is how the cap is designed. Its not within their say bc they cant afford it not, or they want to spend that money or not. If they revenue is that good, then they have mechanisms in place to comply to the cap upper and lower limits.
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    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
    A MacK discount might look different than we think of a discount. You see players like Crosby take a massive discount but that isn't necessarily the bar. Even if Mack signs for 12-12.5 it could be said that is below his value in UFA.


    Considering he thinks he took a discount the first time, I'm sure it will look different, Colorado can easily accommodate 12.3 with a 1m increase and EJ or his replacement signing a 1m deal. They will still have the ability to move compher and get a good 2C, now he can take 12.55 and become the highest paid player by a bit for 2 seasons and the EJ replacement just has to be a 750k guy. Or can up to 13m and it's just a bit less for a 2C. Whatever he signs for though I wouldn't be surprised if he said "it's no secret that I was willing to take a paycut again, it was just a matter of finding a better balance since I was underpaid for a long time which resulted in a cup so I would do it again, but this time I had to take care of myself and family a bit more when taking a discount".
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:21 a.m.
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    Lock everyone down now 😂😂


    thats the plan, players and their reps are smart, some strategically extended their way off ELCs to get close to this, as the new CBA only is ratified to the 2025-26 season. Players will be cautious to extend much into an undetermined CBA.
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:21 a.m.
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    Considering he thinks he took a discount the first time, I'm sure it will look different, Colorado can easily accommodate 12.3 with a 1m increase and EJ or his replacement signing a 1m deal. They will still have the ability to move compher and get a good 2C, now he can take 12.55 and become the highest paid player by a bit for 2 seasons and the EJ replacement just has to be a 750k guy. Or can up to 13m and it's just a bit less for a 2C. Whatever he signs for though I wouldn't be surprised if he said "it's no secret that I was willing to take a paycut again, it was just a matter of finding a better balance since I was underpaid for a long time which resulted in a cup so I would do it again, but this time I had to take care of myself and family a bit more when taking a discount".


    Crosby took 8 mill like what 6 years ago?
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.
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    thats the plan, players and their reps are smart, some strategically extended their way off ELCs to get close to this, as the new CBA only is ratified to the 2025-26 season. Players will be cautious to extend much into an undetermined CBA.


    Guys like Thomas, Suzuki, Svechnikov, Norris etc contracts could be steals in like 4 years if the cap jumps and they’re all producing over 70pts
    Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:24 a.m.
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    Quoting: mondo
    Crosby didn't take a discount.


    He definitely did he could have gotten as much as Malkin or Ovechkin but he wanted 8.7. He made more than Malkin anyways because of his endorsements, but less than Ovi or around the same, maybe slightly more, but as the face of the NHL, he could have gotten a 10m deal back then when the normal for 1Cs was 8m+.
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    Guys like Thomas, Suzuki, Svechnikov, Norris etc contracts could be steals in like 4 years if the cap jumps and they’re all producing over 70pts


    very much could be. They will be in years 4, some 5 of their current deals by the time the CBA ends. So its take advantage of that now if teams can. 2025-26 season is a question mark as of now
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    He definitely did he could have gotten as much as Malkin or Ovechkin but he wanted 8.7. He made more than Malkin anyways because of his endorsements, but less than Ovi or around the same, maybe slightly more, but as the face of the NHL, he could have gotten a 10m deal back then when the normal for 1Cs was 8m+.


    14.5% of the cap on signing is not a discount.
     
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