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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
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Aug. 15, 2022 at 4:44 p.m.
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would be an utterly hilarious trade for both teams
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Aug. 15, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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You do not want Risto. Anderson is worth so much more
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Aug. 15, 2022 at 4:51 p.m.
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This is a very clever thought -- outside the box thinking, for a change. It meets a positional need for Montreal and helps readjust the rosters. I think it founders on the fact that Philly has Atkinson, Konecny, Tippett and Brink at RW already, but at least it's a creative effort. Tip o' the hat! wink
Aug. 15, 2022 at 4:52 p.m.
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montreal have so much dept in defense, a lot of young D is coming up, they dont need risto at all
Aug. 15, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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montreal have so much dept in defense, a lot of young D is coming up, they dont need risto at all


Not on the right side sir. We have 2 players... Barron & Mailloux... and Mailloux is a few years away. Plus... we have WAY too many wingers.
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Aug. 15, 2022 at 4:56 p.m.
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You do not want Risto. Anderson is worth so much more


Like a 2nd round pick more. Add whatever picks you feel are appropriate. It's a positional need really.
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Aug. 15, 2022 at 4:59 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
This is a very clever thought -- outside the box thinking, for a change. It meets a positional need for Montreal and helps readjust the rosters. I think it founders on the fact that Philly has Atkinson, Konecny, Tippett and Brink at RW already, but at least it's a creative effort. Tip o' the hat! wink


I'm trying every day to improve this team sir!
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Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
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I'm trying every day to improve this team sir!


Just keep trying and don't let the negativists discourage you.

Give some thought to Sean Durzi or Jordan Spence for Kaiden Guhle. Durzi might be over-reach, but Spence had a very impressive audition last season . . .
Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:05 p.m.
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Just keep trying and don't let the negativists discourage you.

Give some thought to Sean Durzi or Jordan Spence for Kaiden Guhle. Durzi might be over-reach, but Spence had a very impressive audition last season . . .


The LA Kings fans have put it down a few times. They only want Chychrun until he gets traded.

EDIT: Plus, if I'm honest, I'm a Guhle fan! He brings a physical brand of hockey Durzi and Spence do not.
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Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.
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The LA Kings fans have put it down a few times. They only want Chychrun until he gets traded.

Edit: Plus, if I'm honest, I'm a Guhle fan! He brings a physical brand of hockey Durzi and Spence do not.


I know. We're pretty happy -- to the point of smugness -- with the roster as we've assembled it so far, but you have to have one eye on the future.

Other than Tobias Bjornfot, whom we drafted three years ago, I don't see anyone in the system (signed or unsigned) who looks like a threat to become a top-4 LhD.

You're right about respective physicalness.
Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:23 p.m.
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Not on the right side sir. We have 2 players... Barron & Mailloux... and Mailloux is a few years away. Plus... we have WAY too many wingers.


a 'few'? Try 2 years max.
Yes, we have enough wingers for two NHL teams fml.
Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
a 'few'? Try 2 years max.
Yes, we have enough wingers for two NHL teams fml.


You think Mailloux makes the NHL in 2024-25? I do too. But he might NEVER make the NHL. That's just how these things go. He can get injured again, or not be able to play after his last injury. He can show poor decision making at the AHL level. Seems like a good prospect, but we could use a few sure things to take the pressure off the kids, regardless of what Robidas considers pressure.
Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:34 p.m.
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You think Mailloux makes the NHL in 2024-25? I do too. But he might NEVER make the NHL. That's just how these things go. He can get injured again, or not be able to play after his last injury. He can show poor decision making at the AHL level. Seems like a good prospect, but we could use a few sure things to take the pressure off the kids, regardless of what Robidas considers pressure.


Yea I think so. I think by 2024-25 our top RD are Barron & Mailloux. I think he'll be fine. He looked good in the OHL before his injury, his skating needs improvement though and I think the Habs can help with that. As long as he toes the line, he'll make it in 2 years. I'm sure he'll get his contract sometime this winter.
I don't get your Robidas reference. Is he still paid by the Leafs as a roster player?
Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:41 p.m.
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Yea I think so. I think by 2024-25 our top RD are Barron & Mailloux. I think he'll be fine. He looked good in the OHL before his injury, his skating needs improvement though and I think the Habs can help with that. As long as he toes the line, he'll make it in 2 years. I'm sure he'll get his contract sometime this winter.
I don't get your Robidas reference. Is he still paid by the Leafs as a roster player?


He's the new assistant defence coach for the Habs. Replacing Richardson (EDIT)
Aug. 15, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.
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Like a 2nd round pick more. Add whatever picks you feel are appropriate. It's a positional need really.


More so the fact that Risto is useless beside the fact he is physical. you do not want him on your team with that contract
Aug. 15, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
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More so the fact that Risto is useless beside the fact he is physical. you do not want him on your team with that contract


That's what they said about Petry when he joined the Habs... worked out pretty well.
Aug. 15, 2022 at 9:08 p.m.
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That's what they said about Petry when he joined the Habs... worked out pretty well.


The thing is Petry was bad on 1 team, and that was an abysmal EDM team, Risto has been bad on 2 teams including a Philly teams that is plays worse than it should
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:30 a.m.
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MTL has a need in this trade, PHI doesn;t.

In honest evaluation, given the state of the team/coaching last year, Ristolinen is probably coming off his best year defensively, whereas Anderson is coming off his worst, Risto helped Sanheim have a career year and is paid about right for what he could be and Anderson is overpaid (so it makes them about even) and is not what PHI needs.

(Not to mention DeAngelo was acquired because Ellis will go on LTIR, and then PHI is short a top 4 RD if they move Ristolinen. PHI might do a JVR+ deal for Anderson, but I just dont think theres any need or want on PHI's side for this deal, unless you're overpaying and to be fair its pretty even).
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:50 a.m.
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It's pretty interesting how polarising the views are here. Some feel Risto has more value. Some feel Anderson has more value. Not a lot feel this is an equal value trade.

Two things to add. In the NHL today, a RHD has more value than a RW. But there are not a lot of RWs who can forecheck like Anderson.

I like this deal. But it's not a clear win for either team.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:55 a.m.
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MTL has a need in this trade, PHI doesn;t.

In honest evaluation, given the state of the team/coaching last year, Ristolinen is probably coming off his best year defensively, whereas Anderson is coming off his worst, Risto helped Sanheim have a career year and is paid about right for what he could be and Anderson is overpaid (so it makes them about even) and is not what PHI needs.

(Not to mention DeAngelo was acquired because Ellis will go on LTIR, and then PHI is short a top 4 RD if they move Ristolinen. PHI might do a JVR+ deal for Anderson, but I just dont think theres any need or want on PHI's side for this deal, unless you're overpaying and to be fair its pretty even).


Interesting perspective, thanks! I agree with you about organizational need.

I think you are not being fair to how bad MTL's coaching was last season. I think Anderson scores 25-30 goals and 50-60pts on a good team. I think he will do it this season under MSL for a whole season.

That being said... Flyers do not need this. Habs need it a bit more but of course if they want to lose and draft top 5 in 2023, then status quo is the way to go!
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 7:26 a.m.
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Interesting perspective, thanks! I agree with you about organizational need.

I think you are not being fair to how bad MTL's coaching was last season. I think Anderson scores 25-30 goals and 50-60pts on a good team. I think he will do it this season under MSL for a whole season.

That being said... Flyers do not need this. Habs need it a bit more but of course if they want to lose and draft top 5 in 2023, then status quo is the way to go!


Nicely thought out.

Overall my impression of Risto and based on his stats: he was asked to be a different player last year in PHI. To play defense first and hit everything second. Considering his prior seasons, he was good last year, even though PHI was a mess (Bad coaches fired, oodles of injuries, team couldn;t score, etc...). I dont think you cant give him credit for Sanheim's career year, or the fact that the 2nd pairing with Ristolinen was solid, while the first and third were a rotation of mainly average to poor or not ready players.

I think theres a hate on him, thats not exactly rational, but based on watching him and his stats he was solid in a year of adjustment from going from BUFs 1st pairing and puck rusher to PHI's stay at home/clear the crease guy. When the first pairing was stable and Risto was asked to play defense and not play risky, he was very good, but as we saw in Philly that was only 50% of the time, as injuries and systems changed.

Based on 20-21, Philly had a meltdown at RD and goal, Fletcher acquired both Ellis and Risto to address the issue, only half of which worked. But if Risto plays like he did last year and Ellis/Deangelo can solidify that 1st pairing with Provorov, maybe (probably not) Risto will get some due.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 7:34 a.m.
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Nicely thought out.

Overall my impression of Risto and based on his stats: he was asked to be a different player last year in PHI. To play defense first and hit everything second. Considering his prior seasons, he was good last year, even though PHI was a mess (Bad coaches fired, oodles of injuries, team couldn;t score, etc...). I dont think you cant give him credit for Sanheim's career year, or the fact that the 2nd pairing with Ristolinen was solid, while the first and third were a rotation of mainly average to poor or not ready players.

I think theres a hate on him, thats not exactly rational, but based on watching him and his stats he was solid in a year of adjustment from going from BUFs 1st pairing and puck rusher to PHI's stay at home/clear the crease guy. When the first pairing was stable and Risto was asked to play defense and not play risky, he was very good, but as we saw in Philly that was only 50% of the time, as injuries and systems changed.

Based on 20-21, Philly had a meltdown at RD and goal, Fletcher acquired both Ellis and Risto to address the issue, only half of which worked. But if Risto plays like he did last year and Ellis/Deangelo can solidify that 1st pairing with Provorov, maybe (probably not) Risto will get some due.


I definitely am in agreement that Risto has been negatively impacted by playing for both Buffalo & Philly through the "dark times". He is a better player than his record shows. Anderson as well played for Columbus and MTL.

The context of where a player plays and when is often lost in a pure analysis of their offensive & defensive production.

I dislike the reputation of Risto as a defensive liability as much as I dislike the reputation of Anderson as an overpaid checking line forward.
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