Larkin is a 1C (or even as a 2C) so he should hold quite a bit more value than Lindholm as a LD. Perhaps if their ages were reversed then they would be more comparable in value.

Of course there's the matter of value vs if a team wants to pay the players value or not. I totally agree that Boston knowing they could resign Lindholm made them comfortable giving that package, which is why I did say that Colorado probably wouldn't pursue him unless they are certain they can sign him or that they are confident in their chances of repeating because of the trade. Having Veleno or Zadina would make things better in terms of Colorado because they won't be left with nothing. I think Colorado would be willing to give up Newhook because if they are looking for a 2C it would mean that he isn't ready yet, he is only 21 but his development just might not fit the timeline of the current roster, and they can just wait on a guy like Veleno who is a year older but also slowly developing for the future.

No, it wouldn't.

Trading Larkin this season as a rental is actually a very interesting prospect. He will more than likely come right back in the offseason as the captain of the team, but the Wings can capitalize and get some much needed draft/prospect capital.

It probably won't happen but a trade like this is not nearly as absurd as most of the sh*t we see on here.

Contenders typically don't use roster pieces to add to their rosters at the TDL, especially using valuable ELC's already contributing to the team in key roles.

Lindholm vs Larkin's age is irrelevant as both are still in their primes as UFAs.

Both Yzerman and Larkin have publicly stated that they WILL work out a deal, not that they'll "try". The only reason his extension isn't already done, is that there's no rush, as it's already a foregone conclusion. If there's a player that one could speculate on until a deal is done, it's Bertuzzi. That one is still very 50/50.

larkin doesnt have the term left on his contract to command newhook and a 1st

As I usually post said absurdity, It would be really cool to see a high end pending ufa in their prime get traded with a hand shake deal that he will return after a cup run. That way he can come back and share stories with the cupless peasants. Only problem is it would likely remove the 8th year option.

My point was that Larkin isn't older for him to have less value than Lindholm or similar. He plays a prime position which is why he is more valuable than Lindholm, I was just pointing out that Larkin isn't a 31 year old C for example for him to have similar value as Lindholm. Now I know you are saying Larkin as a rental vs Lindholm as a rental who was resignable but because Larkin hasn't said he is testing FA next year so the Wings don't have to trade him as one since there could be other teams who can resign him that would be interested, so it's Col's choice whether they want to pay more than they would for a typical rental. There could be mitigations in-place like taking back a young prospect or a roster player with term but they would have to find a happy medium. However, Larkin does have a NTC which could limit Detroit's options, to trading him as a rental or resigning him.

Sakic and Yzerman could make a handshake deal that Larkin's UFA rights get traded back to Detroit after the playoffs so that they can do the 8th year. Of course that would also decrease the asking price slightly, or Detroit just give a pick back before UFA which is effectively the same.

Fair points.

One thing I want to mention in response is that 1 LHD is a prime position too.

I would imagine that would be grounds for the other team to file a tampering complaint, since that's what it would look like. Teams usually don't file that kind of stuff though, but if they did Yzerman, for example, wouldn't say we had a handshake agreement-I don't know if that would be against the rules- because no one would trust him when it comes to trading for pending ufas for teams that hope to resign the pending ufa, and those who are just trading for them as rentals will offer less stating that he probably has a handshake agreement anyways.

Detroit accepts the Pysyk deal as I believe he will be out for the season. I think enough has been said about Larkin.

If im reading this right, you're assuming Sakic is making this trade in bad faith. That is not what I am suggesting. Yazermin and Sakic are buddies and stand up guys. I could see teams not involved with the trade raising a stink like when the Sakic rule(Orpik-Grub trade) came into place.

That's true, the way that I look at it though is that 1D is a prime position and the prime asset would be a 1RHD RD, 1LHD RD (usually can also play RD), 1LHD RD (likely a LD as well), and then 1LHD LD. I should have said the prime position for skaters.

Goaltending is arguably the most important position but it's a whole different animal because of the unpredictability, so let's just ignore it lol.

Would be Yzerman making the trade in bad faith in the example, but I was just using Larkin to Col as an example, but the comment was more about your desire to see such trades happening, and why we wouldn't see it happen. I did think you meant a GM+player do something like that in bad faith though.

You probably are right, that other GMs wouldn't like two GMs who are close doing that either. They will probably say using a non-playoff team as a farm team ruins the integrity of the sport and fair competition.

Just think of it as subleting a player while your team is on competitive vacation.
Edit: I now believe nhl teams should be able to short term rental their players if they aren't in the playoffs.

Wouldn't even need to be a handshake. Larkin will retire a Red Wing.

I see him getting his number retired, but probably no hhof. Same with Landy.
Edit: Poor Larkin needs to experience the playoffs. 5 games in his rookie year is but a tease.

If they win Cups he will probably get his number retired - HOF is anyone's guess.

Landy I don't think warrants either.

You're crazy then. Landy probably gets it before the cup. Longest serving captain by the time he retires, puts up points, woops ass, led Avs to a cup and is a Norse god.

I think most executives would hate that lol, because it would change the whole dynamic of rentals at tdl, it would make it less rewarding for teams trading away rentals, since similar or higher profile players would be loaned out for less. The reduced risk would also mean that more playoff teams take on rentals, so it gets rid of the aspect of taking on the risk to get an advantage.

Landeskog is a great captain and good player but he's going to need cups for sure to make him be considered great.

Landy is a fine player. He's the captain sure but he's the 4th (5th?) best player on this team and the Avs werent much before then. He surely didn't lead them to the Cup haha.

HOF is quite ambitious. I dont like retiring numbers for the sake of retiring numbers. That's a serious honor.

If they take Larkin it makes it that much easier to take MacKinnon.

Normally I'd agree but Larkin becomes a free agent comes back to Detroit after the playoffs. So I think it's a fair rental price especially since Larkin will return with playoff experience.

That Larkin trade is not lightyears away from reality. His expiring contract status isn't a factor as he will be re-signed. Before Larkin was named Captain, Yzerman was quoted as saying the whoever the next Captain of the Red Wings is, that player will be Captain for a long time. A year later he chose Larkin.