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Team: 2022-23 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 13, 2022
Published: Nov. 13, 2022
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  1. Asplund, Rasmus
  2. Cozens, Dylan
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Nov. 13, 2022 at 1:06 p.m.
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Oh my... That's a big no from the sabres.
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Nov. 13, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
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laugh You honestly think that Tyler Bertuzzi wouldn't already be resigned by now for 5 x $5,750,000 talk about an laughable offer.

Dylan Cozens = Tyler Bertuzzi @ 5 yrs $5,750,000.

Rasmus Asplund = Givani Smith

Philly 2023 2nd round pick = Pius Suter

You obviously don't know how sign and trades work?
Nov. 13, 2022 at 1:12 p.m.
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Buffalo pass. Why should we trade Cozens?
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Nov. 13, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.
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Ha. I wish!
Nov. 13, 2022 at 1:40 p.m.
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Don't like this for Buffalo, need to stay the course and keep building from within, adding some depth D to withstand injuries wouldn't be a bad move for them though.
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Nov. 13, 2022 at 1:59 p.m.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣gtfoh with that nonsense
Cozens isn’t going anywhere
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Nov. 13, 2022 at 3:05 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
laugh You honestly think that Tyler Bertuzzi wouldn't already be resigned by now for 5 x $5,750,000 talk about an laughable offer.

Dylan Cozens = Tyler Bertuzzi 5 yrs $5,750,000.

Rasmus Asplund = Givani Smith

Philly 2023 2nd round pick = Pius Suter

You obviously don't know how sign and trades work?


Cozens > Bertuzzi
Asplund >>>>> Smith
2nd > Suter
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Nov. 13, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.
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I like Bertuzzi but he's turning 28 this season and is hurt again, his best year is already behind him
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Nov. 14, 2022 at 10:02 a.m.
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I like Bertuzzi but he's turning 28 this season and is hurt again, his best year is already behind him


I hate to admit it but you're right.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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Buffalo pass. Why should we trade Cozens?


I do love when I see some BUF fans easily trade Mitts for nothing but then wonder why we should trade Cozens.

Cozens = .45ppg
Mitts = .42ppg

Over an 82 game season that's a difference of 2 points.

Ask me and I'd rather keep both than some of the garbage I see on this site.
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Nov. 14, 2022 at 10:49 a.m.
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Edited Nov. 14, 2022 at 10:57 a.m.
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I do love when I see some BUF fans easily trade Mitts for nothing but then wonder why we should trade Cozens.

Cozens = .45ppg
Mitts = .42ppg

Over an 82 game season that's a difference of 2 points.

Ask me and I'd rather keep both than some of the garbage I see on this site.


Cozens is a completely different type of player and he is younger. He's what we need behind Thompson's back. Points are not always an indicator. You probably think that Skinner is good this season, because he scores points? Mittelstadt played a couple of good games, a lot more bad games and his metrics sucks. But I'm ready to give it a chance.
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Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.
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Cozens is a completely different type of player and he is younger. He's what we need behind Thompson's back. Points are not always an indicator. You probably think that Skinner is good this season, because he scores points? Mittelstadt played a couple of good games, a lot more bad games and his metrics sucks. But I'm ready to give it a chance.


Yea, they are different players. Of course.

Mitts 52% on FO
Cozens 47%

I like both players. But, their end results are basically the same.

Could Cozens end up better than Mitts? Yep. Could Mitts end up better than Cozens? Yep. Could they both be very valuable pieces to the team? Yep.

And no...I think Skinner has been the most disappointing player this season, but thanks for telling m what I probably think.

And is younger better? 8 of the top-10 leaders in points are 26+
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.
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Yea, they are different players. Of course.

Mitts 52% on FO
Cozens 47%

I like both players. But, their end results are basically the same.

Could Cozens end up better than Mitts? Yep. Could Mitts end up better than Cozens? Yep. Could they both be very valuable pieces to the team? Yep.

And no...I think Skinner has been the most disappointing player this season, but thanks for telling m what I probably think.

And is younger better? 8 of the top-10 leaders in points are 26+


FO is not an indicator at all, Thompson is not good on faceoffs, but he is our best forward.

Mittelstadt's problem is that he is unstable and age is not in his favor in front of guys like Cozens, Krebs and Savoie. Cozens also flies like the wind, he is a more physical player, he can even fight if necessary. And he's better than Mitts on the wing if that's what it takes too. I think this could be Mittslast season at Buffalo and if he continues to play unsustainably, he will be traded. If he plays more good games, maybe he will have a chance. You yourself are constantly giving points as an example, so I pointed you to Skinner, who scores points, but plays poorly. Therefore, points are not an indicator, you need to look at the whole picture, vision check + metrics usually always works.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: Fjordy
Cozens is a completely different type of player and he is younger. He's what we need behind Thompson's back. Points are not always an indicator. You probably think that Skinner is good this season, because he scores points? Mittelstadt played a couple of good games, a lot more bad games and his metrics sucks. But I'm ready to give it a chance.


Skinners has like the 3rd best FO win%
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:28 a.m.
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FO is not an indicator at all, Thompson is not good on faceoffs, but he is our best forward.

Mittelstadt's problem is that he is unstable and age is not in his favor in front of guys like Cozens, Krebs and Savoie. Cozens also flies like the wind, he is a more physical player, he can even fight if necessary. And he's better than Mitts on the wing if that's what it takes too. I think this could be Mittslast season at Buffalo and if he continues to play unsustainably, he will be traded. If he plays more good games, maybe he will have a chance. You yourself are constantly giving points as an example, so I pointed you to Skinner, who scores points, but plays poorly. Therefore, points are not an indicator, you need to look at the whole picture, vision check + metrics usually always works.


I only point to points because they are an easy way to illustrate.

Cozens missed an easy goal against BOS that probably would have sealed the game. Did your eyes see that? He's so far been incapable of finishing when he's had plenty of chances. I like his projection though. I think he can be a Drury-like player if he figures it out.

And don't get me wrong, I do like a physical game. I prefer winning games more and scoring goals more.

Calling Mitts old (he's 23), is ludicrous. Plus, he's been one of our best defensive forwards this year, playing a solid 2-way game.

I'm not sure why people make him a ripping boy. He's still a VERY young player in this league.

I don't understand why people think he's too old for this team. He's 23 and we're the youngest team in the league.

Now go ahead and take a look at the average ages of the 16 playoff teams last year. I'll wait.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.
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Skinners has like the 3rd best FO win%


Great, but for some reason he is too lazy to play and I hate him on PP.
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Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:32 a.m.
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Skinners has like the 3rd best FO win%


Wow. That's cool. Skinner 28 FO wins....Mitts 113. And SKinner takes so many FO's because Tage sucks at them. His wingers, Okposo and Skinner are better.

I'm not dissing on Tage, he's been amazing. But to discredit a good 2-line player by trading him for a 2nd or a 3rd (which I've seen plenty of here) is crazy.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:32 a.m.
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Great, but for some reason he is too lazy to play and I hate him on PP.


He's a bad PP player.
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Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.
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Quoting: worldwidesensei
I only point to points because they are an easy way to illustrate.

Cozens missed an easy goal against BOS that probably would have sealed the game. Did your eyes see that? He's so far been incapable of finishing when he's had plenty of chances. I like his projection though. I think he can be a Drury-like player if he figures it out.

And don't get me wrong, I do like a physical game. I prefer winning games more and scoring goals more.

Calling Mitts old (he's 23), is ludicrous. Plus, he's been one of our best defensive forwards this year, playing a solid 2-way game.

I'm not sure why people make him a ripping boy. He's still a VERY young player in this league.

I don't understand why people think he's too old for this team. He's 23 and we're the youngest team in the league.

Now go ahead and take a look at the average ages of the 16 playoff teams last year. I'll wait.


Cozens is also unstable, but he is younger than Mitts and his type of player is more attractive.

But that's not true, Mittelstadt is by many metrics, especially defensively one of our worst forwards. I don't understand why you got the idea that he was very good this season. He had good games, but in most games he was either bad or invisible. He is not old, but he is older than Cozens, Krebs and Savoie. For him, there may simply not be a place in the team in the near future if he continues to play as he is now.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.
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He's a bad PP player.


Yes, he is a terrible PP player and has never been good at it, it's strange that Granato doesn't see that.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:40 a.m.
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Quoting: worldwidesensei
I'm not dissing on Tage, he's been amazing. But to discredit a good 2-line player by trading him for a 2nd or a 3rd (which I've seen plenty of here) is crazy.


I would definitely not trade Mitts for a second or even a third at this stage. It doesn't make sense. Another thing is he could be a player who is involved in a trade for the top 4 RD for example or some kind of good deal that will make Buffalo better now. Although Adams probably won't do anything, so we're just having fun here on this site and dreaming of a better team and playoffs.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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Cozens is also unstable, but he is younger than Mitts and his type of player is more attractive.

But that's not true, Mittelstadt is by many metrics, especially defensively one of our worst forwards. I don't understand why you got the idea that he was very good this season. He had good games, but in most games he was either bad or invisible. He is not old, but he is older than Cozens, Krebs and Savoie. For him, there may simply not be a place in the team in the near future if he continues to play as he is now.


He's had points in 7/14 games and multiple points in 2. In those 7 games, BUF is 5-2.

Mitts is 12th in the league in PP pts/ 60.
He is 8th in the league in CF/60 on the PK and is a -2 in 22 TOI there.

I'm not adverse to trading him for a RD....but that RD better be better than Joker. Which I'm not seeing a lot of. He's another player that I see BUF fans down on for some reason. I just hate some of these trades and grit does not equal wins.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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Quoting: worldwidesensei
He's had points in 7/14 games and multiple points in 2. In those 7 games, BUF is 5-2.

Mitts is 12th in the league in PP pts/ 60.
He is 8th in the league in CF/60 on the PK and is a -2 in 22 TOI there.

I'm not adverse to trading him for a RD....but that RD better be better than Joker. Which I'm not seeing a lot of. He's another player that I see BUF fans down on for some reason. I just hate some of these trades and grit does not equal wins.

Again, where are the points? We have already said that points are not an indicator. Mitts had some really, really good games this season where he scored points. There were also a lot of bad games where he could get secondary assist for example. It's weird that you see Skinner was bad this season even though he got 12 points and Mittelstadt was good this season and he got 9 points. Unfortunately we have no idea what Jokiharju can do, he gets injured way too often. Last season he was bad, this season he seemed to play better, but then he dropped out, he was unlucky.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 12:17 p.m.
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Again, where are the points? We have already said that points are not an indicator. Mitts had some really, really good games this season where he scored points. There were also a lot of bad games where he could get secondary assist for example. It's weird that you see Skinner was bad this season even though he got 12 points and Mittelstadt was good this season and he got 9 points. Unfortunately we have no idea what Jokiharju can do, he gets injured way too often. Last season he was bad, this season he seemed to play better, but then he dropped out, he was unlucky.


Are you really talking about secondary assists and dropping Mitts and elevating Skinner? Let's remove them, shall we?

Skinner 3G 6A
Mitts 3G 5A

And Skinner has played mostly with Tage.

And Skinner is $9mm and 30 years old and Mitts is $2.5mm and 23.

One of these players has a future and another should be bought out as soon as possible.

Why Sabres fans have the desire to move Mitts or VO instead of trying to move Skinner is beyond me.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 12:24 p.m.
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Quoting: worldwidesensei
Are you really talking about secondary assists and dropping Mitts and elevating Skinner? Let's remove them, shall we?

Skinner 3G 6A
Mitts 3G 5A

And Skinner has played mostly with Tage.

And Skinner is $9mm and 30 years old and Mitts is $2.5mm and 23.

One of these players has a future and another should be bought out as soon as possible.

Why Sabres fans have the desire to move Mitts or VO instead of trying to move Skinner is beyond me.


Man, I'd love to get rid of Skinner before Mitts, but how? This contract is not moved and I think they will not buyout him in the coming seasons. It seems Jeff's problem is motivation, of course, when you have such a contract, sometimes you can not do a damn thing on the ice, which is what he likes to do. Adams and Granato care too much about the chemistry and atmosphere in the locker room, Skinner is a fun and friendly guy so he's not going anywhere, the only pity is that he plays 1 game well and then 3-5 games in a row badly.
 
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