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Discounted Boeser Trades - Read descriptions

Created by: GMBL

Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 4, 2022

Published: Dec. 4, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Most fan bases will want nothing to do with Brock Boeser and his 6.65m cap hit, but doesn't mean their GMs won't.

Going to rank the trades. If the trade is mutually beneficial it will be ranked high, if it's detrimental to at least one side (Vancouver) it will be ranked low, and in the middle would be the trades that don't benefit either side much. (Generally, these trades aren't favorable for Vancouver by design as they would be selling low on Boeser.

#1 - Preds trade
#2 - Red Wings Trade
#3 - Isles Trade
#4 - Blues Trade
#5 - Wild Trade
#6 - Oilers Trade

Trades

VAN

Suter, Pius
Zadina, Filip
2023 2nd round pick (DET)

Additional Details:

I think once Boeser gets dumped, the Canucks extend Horvat to a 56m-64m deal. So the returning roster player is probably a pending UFA or has 2 years of term (with ~4m cap hit).

In terms of value (ignoring the roster player), I think the Canucks will get something between two 2nds and two 3rds, perhaps a 3rd+4th (the Bjorkstrand trade is IRRELEVANT here).

DET

Boeser, Brock

VAN

Beauvillier, Anthony
2023 2nd round pick (NYI)
2024 5th round pick (NYI)

Additional Details:

Can't ignore Beauvillier here since he does have some term, and his production isn't much lower than Boeser's on the year.

NYI

VAN

2023 3rd round pick (STL)
2024 3rd round pick (STL)

STL

This is assuming the Blues are moving from Tarasenko (7.5m) and one of O'Reilly (7.5m) or Krug (6.5M-NTC). If they aren't sellers they could trade Tarasenko (or Krug) somewhere and acquire Boeser and not worry about if they can resign O'Reilly or not. If they are sellers then they trade both Tarasenko and O'Reilly to contenders and futures for Boeser.

Thomas and Kyrou have a combined 10.65m increase in AAV next season, a 4m increase in cap would require them to need an additional 6.65m for their raises and another 6.65m for Boeser.

VAN

2023 4th round pick (MIN)
2024 3rd round pick (MIN)

MIN

This is an unlikely fit, but who knows. If Boldy gets a 7m AAV on his next contract, Boeser is coming in at 6.65m, and the cap goes up by 4m (more information will be available by deadline and yes, Boeser could be traded before then). Foligno must go in the off-season (I know Minnesota fans won't like that but doesn't mean he won't get traded), Dumba needs to be traded and can only be replaced with a 1.71m player on the season (or 750k player if they want to retain 960k) but for next season, they need to find 550k for Boeser and a Dumba replacement (750k min), so at least 1.3m from other parts of the roster which is why this is probably not going to happen unless Boldy is coming in on a short bridge deal in the 6s but that wouldn't be favorable.

VAN

Additional Details:

Fire JR+PA Trade #1:

Now for trades that would have all Vancouver fans calling for an immediate change in management upon hearing the trade. (Might come up with more later).

EDM

Schenn, Luke

VAN

Additional Details:

A suggested mock trade that I really liked for both teams

NSH

Boeser (6.65m) + Schenn (850k)

The assumptions are that this trade happens after December and NSH finds a way to make their RFA extensions work.

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $1,900,000
Jake Virtanen: $500,000

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$74,772,917	$1,250,000	$1,232,500	$7,727,083

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kuzmenko, Andrei $950,000$950,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Horvat, Bo $4,125,000$4,125,000 C UFA - 1	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 3	Studnicka, Jack $762,500$762,500 RW, C RFA - 2
Höglander, Nils $891,667$891,667 ($300,000$300K) LW, RW RFA - 1	Dries, Sheldon $762,500$762,500 C UFA - 2	Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 2
Tolvanen, Eeli $1,450,000$1,450,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Åman, Nils $883,750$883,750 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 5		Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 4
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Bear, Ethan $1,800,000$1,800,000 RD UFA - 1	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 2
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD RFA - 2	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Delia, Collin $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Fabbro, Dante $2,400,000$2,400,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
		Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 3
		Dermott, Travis $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
		Suter, Pius $3,250,000$3,250,000 C, LW UFA - 1
		Zadina, Filip $1,825,000$1,825,000 RW, LW RFA - 3
		Beauvillier, Anthony $4,150,000$4,150,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
		Barrie, Tyson $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 2
		Puljujärvi, Jesse $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW UFA - 1

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.

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Edited Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:18 a.m.

Since some people won't read explanations/descriptions or even titles:

Most fan bases will want nothing to do with Brock Boeser and his 6.65m cap hit, but doesn't mean their GMs won't. These mock trades aren't necessarily meant to be mutually beneficial and may not even be beneficial for either side.

Edit:
From the 1st trade description:

In terms of value (ignoring the roster player), I think the Canucks will get something between two 2nds and two 3rds, perhaps a 3rd+4th (the Bjorkstrand trade is IRRELEVANT here).

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:31 a.m.

Db1899

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Don’t think Lou lamoriello wants anything to do with a floater unless Vancouver adds a sweetener

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Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:34 a.m.

GMBL

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Quoting: Db1899

Don’t think Lou lamoriello wants anything to do with a floater unless Vancouver adds a sweetener

It's quite possible that there isn't a single GM interested but the assumption is that someone takes a risk. Otherwise, there won't be an ACGM to make.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.

Db1899

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Quoting: GMBL

It's quite possible that there isn't a single GM interested but the assumption is that someone takes a risk. Otherwise, there won't be an ACGM to make.

True, but it’s a huge risk giving up even a 4th rd pick for Boeser. Can’t see any team giving up a 2nd

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:36 a.m.

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Quoting: Babatunde

No one is trading for him or giving up assets, it's a cap dump where teams expect the Canucks to pay up

Quoting: GMBL

It's quite possible that there isn't a single GM interested but the assumption is that someone takes a risk. Otherwise, there won't be an ACGM to make.

That just means he won't get traded.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:38 a.m.

Just_A_Guess

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No Boeser retention, we'll send you Armia instead then a middle pick in '24 if this is what you're selling him for... hell I'd be willing to send over Pezz and Pitlick too, Evans, Wideman, etc.

Guy needs a change in scenery, I'll take the reclamation project in MTL while we rebuild.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.

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I don't mind Boeser, or his hit depending on cost. To me, him being a fit in Detroit hinges 100% on how confident Yzerman is on extending Bertuzzi. If Bert will be extended, there is no trade to be made, if Detroit is going to move on from Bert, then a discussion can be had around Boeser.

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Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:42 a.m.

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Quoting: Db1899

True, but it’s a huge risk giving up even a 4th rd pick for Boeser. Can’t see any team giving up a 2nd

Yep, right now the Isles are doing well so doubt they would make this move. Maybe if it was Beau+a 4th they would. I don't think the cap hit would be much of an issue for Lou since most of their guys are getting paid between 4-7m anyways.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:45 a.m.

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Quoting: DeadWingsv2

Personally, I think Bertuzzi is gone unless he's willing to take a lower hit than 6.65m, or the same hit for 3-4 years. I think it all hinges on what Larkin gets, I'm assuming it's under his 9m+ ask but not by much, maybe 8.71m.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:45 a.m.

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How come Detroit is pretty much paying the most here?

Suter = 3rd round pick
Zadina = 3rd round pick
DET 2023 2nd round pick.

Way too much for a guy who has health issues staying healthy.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.

#11

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I think Nashville could be a really good fit, pretty close to home for him and they could use some more scoring.

Wait until post Christmas and they should have enough accrued cap space to deal around like Fabbro + Tolvanen for Boeser and Schenn

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Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.

#12

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

Boeser's value is going to low, but if Vancouver is taking on Armia for 3 years at 3.4m they probably are going to have to give something of value or someone that the Canucks want. Both Vancouver and Montreal need RDs so it's probably not going to be a need based thing. Canucks have a surplus of forwards, so the best thing is the 3.25m cap freed up+ current picks probably a 2nd (which would probably be like a 1st).

I don't see MTL as a good fit just because they do need to move out contracts.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:52 a.m.

#13

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Not sure how acquiring Boeser means they don't need to worry about losing ROR. Not the same position.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:54 a.m.

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Quoting: GMBL

I expect Larkin to sign around the same deal Barzal got 8x9.125ish

I personally think Bertuzzi is being moved as well and thought it was going to come soon, but he loves breaking his hand and it will probably push it to the TDL

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Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:54 a.m.

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Quoting: GMBL

The cap hit wouldn’t be a problem at all, just don’t think Boeser is a Lou player. If he’s trading for someone on Vancouver it will likely be Garland

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Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:56 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Yeah, I can actually see that happening. I did see that NSH was struggling to score but I wonder what the long-term implications would be. Fabbro could potentially be of interest and Tolvanen maybe just needs a change of scenery, and in the end it clears up a ton of cap for Vancouver. Very good proposal if it work for NSH in the long-term.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:57 a.m.

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Quoting: GMBL

I have a list of guys I would bury to make room for a guy like Boeser, I only suggested the Armia swap as the term is the same and would be a similar cap relief of 3+ mil going from 6+ of Boeser to 3+ of Armia. Not that Armia carries value, just an idea instead of retention. I'd be willing to send a '24 2nd + a '23 4th/3rd if there's retention (for moving the 2nd back a year).

I would gladly take Boeser in MTL and make whatever moves necessary if the price is right. I fully believe he'll flip it on sooner than later.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 10:59 a.m.

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

How come Detroit is pretty much paying the most here?

Suter = 3rd round pick
Zadina = 3rd round pick
DET 2023 2nd round pick.

Way too much for a guy who has health issues staying healthy.

Can't expect every offer to be equivalent. For Vancouver, Suter is probably not going to hold any value as they will just let him go. Perhaps Yzerman ships him off elsewhere or maybe that's what it will cost for Boeser.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:00 a.m.

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

Whatever move Vancouver does will have to include no retention on Boeser most likely. I'm assuming they are wanting to sign Horvat, Kuzmenko, and Bear, they will also want to make upgrades to their blueline next off-season.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:03 a.m.

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Quoting: mokumboi

Not sure how acquiring Boeser means they don't need to worry about losing ROR. Not the same position.

That's not what I meant. The assumption was that they bring in Boeser to replace Tarasenko who they trade but they aren't worried about losing ROR. They will try to make it work but ultimately they are expecting that they will have a hole down the middle, exactly like what happened to Colorado with Kadri.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:15 a.m.

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Quoting: DeadWingsv2

So does Boeser, almost a perfect replacement just lacks the physicality

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Hearing Yzerman talk this past week about how he looks for ways to accelerate the rebuild but that it's hard to acquire good players made me think that he might take a flyer on Boeser if it doesn't impede their cap situation. Since, most of the RFAs that will require massive raises are expiring with Boeser having just 1-year left, I don't think it will be an issue even if Larkin is resigned for 9m-9.2m and Bertuzzi traded. There are UFAs like Kubalik who will require a big raise too, but I suspect that they will worry about that in the future. Perhaps him or Fabbri get moved if Boeser does well.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:19 a.m.

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Quoting: GMBL

So does Boeser, almost a perfect replacement just lacks the physicality

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Hearing Yzerman talk this past week about how he looks for ways to accelerate the rebuild but that it's hard to acquire good players made me think that he might take a flyer on Boeser if it doesn't impede their cap situation. Since, most of the RFAs that will require massive raises are expiring with Boeser having just 1-year left, I don't think it will be an issue if Larkin is resigned and Bertuzzi traded. There are UFAs like Kubalik who will require a big raise too, but I suspect that they will worry about that in the future. Perhaps him or Fabbri get moved if Boeser does well.

The biggest challenge, cap-wise for Detroit, are the contracts Raymond and Seider will get at the end of 23-24

Detroit will need to move one, or both of Vrana and Fabbri if we sign/re-sign a bigger contract in Bert or his replacement AND keep Kuby (which I want to see)

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Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:23 a.m.

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Guerin isn't trading Marcus foligno. Our beat writer Michael Russo already said two times last night Guerin isn't interested in boeser, same way he **** down Monahan ones

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Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.

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Quoting: DeadWingsv2

Yeah, the current cap space could be viewed as Larkin's extension + maybe a league min player. I do think Ned+Helly's 3.75m will probably be reduced to a 2m back up, leaving 1.75m for Bertuzzi or a replacement to get 6.5m (Boeser is 6.65m but it's close enough).

I think Vrana's 5.25m has to go, then it would be Fabbri's 4m or Suter's 3.25m along with the cap rises that will be used for Seider and Raymond's extensions, if they want to extend Kubalik, I think they would need to save Bertuzzi's cap for him. They should have plenty of options though.

Dec. 4, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.

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Quoting: GFabrix

Guerin isn't trading Marcus foligno. Our beat writer Michael Russo already said two times last night Guerin isn't interested in boeser, same way he **** down Monahan ones

Yeah, I don't think Guerin would be interested in Boeser even if he was willing to trade Marcus Foligno. Like I said in the description, it's an unlikely fit just purely off cap implications even if all other implications are ignored.

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