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Created by: bogdown

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2022

Published: Dec. 14, 2022

Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks

Description

Colorado gets a 2C to fill the spot left by Kadri leaving
Minnesota gets a 2C behind Eriksson Ek

Both deals would include an extension for Horvat. Horvat is a two way centre capable of putting up 60+ points with people like Pearson on his wing. Put him with Zuch and Kaprizov or Boldy, or Lekhonen and Nichuskin and he'll produce.

I could definitely see Horvat being more than a rental on both of these teams. Horvat denied the Canucks offer not necessarily because of the money but because of how garbage management treated him. I'm sure management choosing Miller over him at 8x8 and only offering him 8x5.125 was the last straw. I could see him signing a deal more around 7 with a team that treats him right and actually has a chance to win.

Free Agent Signings

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Horvat, Bo		1	$5,500,000

Trades

VAN

Goligoski, Alex
Lambos, Carson
2024 1st round pick (MIN)

Additional Details:

Lambos would be really nice but I don't know if Minnesota is willing to give him up. Faber is untouchable, Minnesota boy who they just traded FIala for. Ohgren, Addison, and Rossi are untouchable as well. Lambos is their next best prospect. Goligoski in for cap reasons?

MIN

Horvat, Bo ($2,750,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Extension 8x$7mil

VAN

Girard, Samuel
2024 1st round pick (COL)

Additional Details:

Creates $16 million in cap space for Horvat and re-signing Toews in two years.

COL

Horvat, Bo ($2,750,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Extension 8x$7mil

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $1,900,000
Jake Virtanen: $500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Bo Horvat: $1,375,000 (25%)
Bo Horvat: $2,750,000 (66.67%)
Bo Horvat: $2,750,000 (50%)

DRAFT YEAR	ROUND 1	ROUND 2	ROUND 3	ROUND 4	ROUND 5	ROUND 6	ROUND 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$82,500,000	$89,067,084	$1,250,000	$1,232,500	-$6,567,084

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Boeser, Brock $6,650,000 RW UFA - 3
Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Åman, Nils $883,750 C RFA - 2	Garland, Conor $4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Kuzmenko, Andrei $950,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Joshua, Dakota $825,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 3
Höglander, Nils $891,667 LW, RW RFA - 1	Dries, Sheldon $762,500 C UFA - 2	Studnicka, Jack $762,500 RW, C RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000 LD UFA - 5	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Martin, Spencer $762,500 G UFA - 2
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Bear, Ethan $1,800,000 RD RFA - 1	Delia, Collin $750,000 G UFA - 1
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000 LD RFA - 2	Schenn, Luke $850,000 RD UFA - 1
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Goligoski, Alex $2,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 2
Lambos, Carson $894,167 LD RFA - 3
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 5

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000 G UFA - 4	Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
	Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000 RD UFA - 3
		Dermott, Travis $1,500,000 LD/RD RFA - 1

Dec. 14, 2022 at 8:54 p.m.

Juiceman

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Now we have a glut of LHD.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.

bogdown

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Bog

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Quoting: Juiceman

Now we have a glut of LHD.

Anything to get Stillman off the ice.

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.

Juiceman

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Quoting: bogdown

Anything to get Stillman off the ice.

How are we supposed to get first overall picks if we don't have tank commander Stillman?

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 8:57 p.m.

palhal

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Can't think of a good trade..."Add the extension". Both Colorado and Minni likely don't have the desire or cap for such a long term extension anyway. Golgiski doesn't waive for NMC.

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 8:57 p.m.

MeetYourMakar

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I appreciate you putting what the extension would look like but, I don't think the Avs can afford Horvat at 7m if they couldnt justify Kadri for the same. The "savings" from Girard being traded isn't enough to replace him after spending it on Horvat. Also Byram and Newhook need deals and Toews next summer

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 8:58 p.m.

bogdown

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Bog

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Quoting: Juiceman

How are we supposed to get first overall picks if we don't have tank commander Stillman?

Miller, Myers, Boeser, and Garland are doing a mighty fine job commanding the tank.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:00 p.m.

NMAvsFan

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Even with moving Girard (which, where did you come up the $16M in cap space?), Avs don't have space to add Horvat long-term; they definitely can't add Horvat and re-sign Toews. Also, didn't he reject $8M from the Canucks? Why would he sign for $1M less with the Avs? Horvat to Colorado isn't going to happen.

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:02 p.m.

bogdown

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

Colorado's cap situation is looking really tough. Toews could get 6+ on his next deal, Byram and Newhook around 4, The big thing for Colorado is signing those two long term for cheap. I think this deal is fair, extension or not, for both teams.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:05 p.m.

bogdown

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Bog

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

Horvat wants out, it doesn't matter how much you throw at someone after you put him second behind Miller. He takes less to play for a team that wins a cup. Even as a rental situation I think this deal is fair. Trading Girard opens up room to sign Newhook or Byram (possibly both) long term. Horvat fills in on 2C for the playoff push.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:08 p.m.

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NMAvsFan

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Quoting: bogdown

Next season, the Avs have $11.6M in cap space to get to 20 players. Trade Girard and that goes to $16.6M; if Horvat takes up $7M, that leaves $9.6M to sign 7 players, including RFA's Byram, Newhook and Meyers. That isn't enough money to sign anyone long-term. Horvat to Colorado doesn't work.

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:09 p.m.

#11

fangm

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Nucks are lucky to get a 1st and a prospect for Horvat.

Everyone knows he's a future cap dump

Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:09 p.m.

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coga16

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avas instantly decline, how many times does this trade need to be posted and get rejected by 31 other fan bases

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:11 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: bogdown

yet you have him extending there for more than girards cap, so now on earth doest that open up cap space, all you did is sewer the avs cap space

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Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:17 p.m.

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AK50

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

I think it was just under 8 mil(like 7.95 mil) as we couldn't make work if we are going down the slight retool and hope for the playoffs route which would require resigning Schenn(about 2.5milx2) and Kuzmenko(about 3.95milx3).

Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:21 p.m.

#15

Pain

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Bruh he rejected 7.4M

Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:36 p.m.

#16

remowilliams

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Quoting: bogdown

Just curious where did you hear Horvat wants out.Fact is he has said the opposite of that on TV several times.Just wondering where you may have heard that?Not trying to be a smart a$$.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 9:49 p.m.

#17

DefenseFirst

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Girard has more value than horvat.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 10:20 p.m.

#18

TJTwolf

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With an extension it's a reasonable trade for the Avs. Without an extension it isn't. The problem is that the Avs can't afford the extension and that's IF Horvat were to take a reduced amount to play for the Avs which is unlikely as he's rejected more from VAN. Therefore it's a no.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 10:25 p.m.

#19

HockeyIsMyPassion61

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Quoting: bogdown

Horvat has never stated that he wants out of Vancouver, he just wants to get paid.

Dec. 14, 2022 at 11:26 p.m.

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turtlemountain

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I really don’t understand where the “creates $16M in cap space” comes from. Horvat at $7M is $2M more expensive than Girard. Your move doesn’t create cap space for 2023-2024, it loses cap space and a 1st round pick.

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