The 3 Bo’s on TOR Teams : Bichette,Horvat & JT’s Dog

Canucks say no, no and no.

I never thought I'd be saying this in a TOR thread, but I think that's actually fair for Horvat. I know Kerfoot does nothing for VAN, but that's just the cap portion to make the deal possible. Playoff-bound teams will be the only ones in on Horvat and none of them have the cap space to take that on, so VAN will have to retain regardless if they want to move him. Niemela is a decent prospect, not great, but decent, so you throw in a 1st and 3rd?

I'd say the only thing I'd argue is maybe TOR needs to change that 3d into a 2nd or swap out Niemela and use Hirvonen.

Topi has more value then Hirvonen imo, As well as Vancouver gets 2 RD prospects which is a position of need for them, Topi’s production has dropped but his defensive stats are as good as ever, he is smart on the puck & has above average skating, he is still a good prospect

Let me ask what you think you’ll get for Horvat?

Better then a Top RD Prospect,another Rd Prospect, a 1st + 3rd

The other prospect is a pure throw-in, come on. Again, I'm saying it's a pretty fair deal, but may need just a little tweaking.

he won the Memorial Cup last year & was nominated for QMJHL defensemen of the year. Yes he is a throw in but not 0 value. As for Topi, he is a Top RD prospect which is a clear need in Vancover. I’m just curious as to why you believe VAN would want Roni instead (Proposed the same trade with Roni & was told to f-off cause quote on quote “He’s a Small Leaf Trashbag with 0 skill” - Some Oilers Fan

Topi is a decent prospect; not a top prospect. I was actually trying to defend your trade proposal, but you're clearly being a classic leafs fan.

More and more - I’m coming to the conclusion that Horvat is not what we need. His acquisition price will be massive (he’s having an outlier year), no chance to extend him, he’s not well suited for 2W so he’ll likely play 3C and not see any time on our PP1.
Won’t be worth the price.

Pardon Me?, I’m curious to why he isn’t a Top prospect as well as to why Vancouver would be more interested in Roni mainly cause it seems to implicate that you believe Roni is a better prospect which i disagree with bit am quite curious to hear your reasoning.

I believe you are misinterpreting my opinion as trying to implicate an idea that i‘m saying this package is perfect i don’t believe it is & love when given criticism that teaches me a thing or two, I always take an opportunity to learn more about others perspectives on the Leafs prospects as well as players

Make it a 2023 1st and I’d probably accept

Why is he not suited for 2 LW? he has good skating,has a solid two way game & tbh his market isn’t big, it’s mostly contenders but they won’t be lining up great packages as almost none of them can extend him or fit the needs of Vancouver (RD being the main one)

Imo most teams will be very unwilling to part with their 2023 1sts for rentals especially in such a deep draft & how it showed it can bite teams (See Florida last year), All
depends on the offers received but If a 2023 gets Horvat & he is potentially willing to sign here mainly to be closer to family in London i can see a 2023 1st being available

I'm not saying later round players can't be top prospects, but he's a former 3rd rounder with not great numbers and decent defensive ability. That's not what a top prospect looks like.

Tbh, I don’t know - just don’t see him being good fit on a line with JT & Mitch, but I could be wrong.
I agree with you - I think list of potential buyers will be short, but who knows 🤷. Assuming all else being equal, I’d prefer ROR - has playoff pedigree and think he could drive a line as 3C

It's a very fair offer. I'd be happy with that from a Canucks POV. That first should be 23' is all.

RoR will not be traded imo, St.Louis went from last to Cup winners i doubt they’re looking at 2 spots out of a playoff spot & saying “Time To Sell”

What Numbers do you think qualify a top prospect?, he had a great season last year & since his teams coaching change it had been catastrophic for his production but at the same time he is being relied upon as a 20 yr old in a Mens league playing Top PP & PK, averaging 18-20 minutes a game. He is former WJC D-man of the tournament. I’m curious to hear your qualifications as well as to why you seem to implicated before Hirvonen is a better prospect?

I’m curious to hear your reasoning?

Because the Canucks aren't rebuilding. And that's not me saying that, that's Rutherford and Alvin. There is nothing in that deal that helps them over the short term. Toronto fans are putting too much value on Niemala IMO, and your draft picks are likely going to be the 25th pick of the round or worse. It's strictly a quantity over quality gamble for the Canucks, and there will better deals available.

Toronto doesn't have the horses for this race.

When Horvat is traded for a similar package i’m going to laugh, Made the same Mistake with JT Miller & If they do the same with Bo their finished plus, The Canucks are very near to rebuilding over a Retool their ticket to a retool was Miller & they wasted it

The Leafs have little need for a 3rd line centre. So team might but why the Leafs?

I just explained my reasoning. You just don't like/agree with it. All of the things you're talking about would be different if he were a top prospect.

Then maybe you should keep trying do the same thing you did with JT Miller lmao

Leave don’t need to move cap. They have kids of space with Muzzin out, Reilly being out for a long stretch

Is English your first language?