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Canes replace Pacioretty Canucks get younger

Created by: CrumbBum
Published: Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:48 p.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 68/185 (37%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Carolina HurricanesCarolina Hurricanes

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kotkaniemi, JesperiCarolina HurricanesNHL-$4,820,000011---5171320--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Carolina HurricanesCAR)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Miller, J.T.Vancouver CanucksNHL-$5,250,000011---49182644--
Boeser, BrockVancouver CanucksNHL-$6,650,000011---4192130--
2023 4th round pick (Logo of the New York RangersNYR)---001------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$10,106,6672145763714
Change-$7,080,000111-101
Final$3,026,667 (↓)22 (↑)46 (↑)77 (↑)2 (↓)715 (↑)203454

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Miller, J.T.Vancouver CanucksNHL-$5,250,000011---49182644--
Boeser, BrockVancouver CanucksNHL-$6,650,000011---4192130--
2023 4th round pick (Logo of the New York RangersNYR)---001------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kotkaniemi, JesperiCarolina HurricanesNHL-$4,820,000011---5171320--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Carolina HurricanesCAR)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$4,393,7502347694511
Change$7,080,000-1-1-110-1
Final$11,473,750 (↑)22 (↓)46 (↓)68 (↓)5 (↑)510 (↓)-20-34-54
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:49 p.m.
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Canucks likely to retain Boesser salary
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:52 p.m.
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Ridiculous.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.
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Canes tell you to jump in the pond
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:18 p.m.
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Canes tell you to jump in the pond


canucks tell u to jump in the pacific ocean,a 1st and a bad contract, who is a 3rd or 4th liner,for a 99pt guy jt and a guarantee 20 to 30 goal guy boeser,forget it.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:23 p.m.
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canucks tell u to jump in the pacific ocean,a 1st and a bad contract, who is a 3rd or 4th liner,for a 99pt guy jt and a guarantee 20 to 30 goal guy boeser,forget it.


Someone who peaked offensively and will never hit those numbers again on a terrible long term deal, who is also useless defensively, and an oft injured winger who is either good or straight trash defensively depending on the season, for a first in a deep draft and the Canes perfect long term 3C, Canes will easily pass. They didn’t want Miller before he signed that albatross of a contract, they want him even less with that extension. Absolutely nobody is going to pay for Miller, and the Canucks will have to live with their screw up.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:30 p.m.
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Someone who peaked offensively and will never hit those numbers again on a terrible long term deal, who is also useless defensively, and an oft injured winger who is either good or straight trash defensively depending on the season, for a first in a deep draft and the Canes perfect long term 3C, Canes will easily pass. They didn’t want Miller before he signed that albatross of a contract, they want him even less with that extension. Absolutely nobody is going to pay for Miller, and the Canucks will have to live with their screw up.


yep 99 pt guys grow on trees and boeser is a lock for 20 goals every yr,are worth nothing.thats why every 3rd trade on here involves them.i guess nobody wants em
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:36 p.m.
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yep 99 pt guys grow on trees and boeser is a lock for 20 goals every yr,are worth nothing.thats why every 3rd trade on here involves them.i guess nobody wants em


Boeser is likely to get moved, to where, no clue, but more than likely not Carolina. It’s not in their style to replace one oft injured winger with another. Miller is straight up unmovable, and nobody is going to be stupid enough to pay for him. Sure he hit 99 points, but that can be chalked up to him over performing in a contract eligible year. If the Canes were even remotely interested in Miller, a trade would have happened last deadline. And now that he has that extension, Vancouver isn’t going to be willing to pay the price it would require to even get teams to consider taking him on.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:40 p.m.
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Boeser is likely to get moved, to where, no clue, but more than likely not Carolina. It’s not in their style to replace one oft injured winger with another. Miller is straight up unmovable, and nobody is going to be stupid enough to pay for him. Sure he hit 99 points, but that can be chalked up to him over performing in a contract eligible year. If the Canes were even remotely interested in Miller, a trade would have happened last deadline. And now that he has that extension, Vancouver isn’t going to be willing to pay the price it would require to even get teams to consider taking him on.


i disagree jt is exactly what the canes need a 2nd line center,without one they dont win the cup.pacioretty is out.so jt for a 1st and gunler.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:51 p.m.
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i disagree jt is exactly what the canes need a 2nd line center,without one they dont win the cup.pacioretty is out.so jt for a 1st and gunler.


Gee I can just hear the rocks rolling around. You don’t seem to understand. While the Canes could use a 2C, Miller would be at the very bottom of their list. A terrible contract for someone who refuses to have any defensive responsibility, the Canes won’t make that trade. Cause if you haven’t noticed, all of the Canes C this year, (Aho, KK, Stastny, Staal, Necas, Stepan, and even Drury) are all at the very least above average defensively. Making a move for Miller, who is a terrible fit in a defensive system, would be a very big waste of assets. The only way Miller ever plays in a Carolina jersey, is if Vancouver eats half of his new salary, and their 2023 first is attached to him. And we both know that isn’t happening.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:54 p.m.
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Gee I can just hear the rocks rolling around. You don’t seem to understand. While the Canes could use a 2C, Miller would be at the very bottom of their list. A terrible contract for someone who refuses to have any defensive responsibility, the Canes won’t make that trade. Cause if you haven’t noticed, all of the Canes C this year, (Aho, KK, Stastny, Staal, Necas, Stepan, and even Drury) are all at the very least above average defensively. Making a move for Miller, who is a terrible fit in a defensive system, would be a very big waste of assets. The only way Miller ever plays in a Carolina jersey, is if Vancouver eats half of his new salary, and their 2023 first is attached to him. And we both know that isn’t happening.


you want to know what else isnt happening us agreeing on this,jt is a perfect fit in cane land.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:55 p.m.
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i disagree jt is exactly what the canes need a 2nd line center,without one they dont win the cup.pacioretty is out.so jt for a 1st and gunler.

The canes don’t put value on players signed into their mid/late 30s so that probably rules jt out. He also doesn’t fit Brind’Amours system well because he doesn’t have great forechecking or defense.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:56 p.m.
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The canes don’t put value on players signed into their mid/late 30s so that probably rules jt out.


u mean guys like brent burns
Feb. 4, 2023 at 10:58 p.m.
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u mean guys like brent burns

They got him for a very cheap price in trade and the sharks retained salary. Look at Niederriter, Trocheck, and Hamilton for how they value aging players.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.
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They got him for a very cheap price in trade and the sharks retained salary. Look at Niederriter, Trocheck, and Hamilton for how they value aging players.


well if they dont value getting a 2nd line center,then they dont value winning a cup,becauses thats what they need.same with the avs,and the wild need a first line center,
Feb. 5, 2023 at 4:28 a.m.
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Someone who peaked offensively and will never hit those numbers again on a terrible long term deal, who is also useless defensively, and an oft injured winger who is either good or straight trash defensively depending on the season, for a first in a deep draft and the Canes perfect long term 3C, Canes will easily pass. They didn’t want Miller before he signed that albatross of a contract, they want him even less with that extension. Absolutely nobody is going to pay for Miller, and the Canucks will have to live with their screw up.


At least Miller's offensive baseline is way higher than KK's offensive ceiling
Feb. 5, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
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If it’s not Pettersson, then the Nucks have nothing to offer the Canes
Feb. 6, 2023 at 1:07 a.m.
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Gee I can just hear the rocks rolling around. You don’t seem to understand. While the Canes could use a 2C, Miller would be at the very bottom of their list. A terrible contract for someone who refuses to have any defensive responsibility, the Canes won’t make that trade. Cause if you haven’t noticed, all of the Canes C this year, (Aho, KK, Stastny, Staal, Necas, Stepan, and even Drury) are all at the very least above average defensively. Making a move for Miller, who is a terrible fit in a defensive system, would be a very big waste of assets. The only way Miller ever plays in a Carolina jersey, is if Vancouver eats half of his new salary, and their 2023 first is attached to him. And we both know that isn’t happening.


No shot you know so little about hockey that you think Vancouver has to retain half of miller and add a 1st to move him. Sure he has had some bad moments this year but every single team in the league would still love to have him
Feb. 6, 2023 at 6:15 a.m.
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No shot you know so little about hockey that you think Vancouver has to retain half of miller and add a 1st to move him. Sure he has had some bad moments this year but every single team in the league would still love to have him


Yet no team would be willing to waste 8mil on Miller. Most of the league is either already a cap team, is rebuilding, or if they have cap space, their cap structure for the future would block an attempt. The Canes fit in both the first and third categories here. No team is going to pay for Miller. So the Canucks could sell the entirety of their future to dump him on a rebuilding team that has cap space (all 56mil), or they eat half and pay a pretty penny or 2 and only owe him a total of 28mil over the course of 7 years. As it stands, his contract is unmovable and is also buyout proof, so the Canucks are stuck with his contract. Paying a first and eat half his salary would actually make his contract moveable.

This isn’t all about Miller’s play. It’s more about what teams would even be able to take on the extra cap, and what teams would be willing to. The interest would be quite limited to rebuilding teams trying to make a quick few bucks. But I must know nothing about hockey and how the cap would kill almost any Miller trade.
 
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