sure

Pens decline. They already moved on from Kubalik. He wasn't a fit.

You want a first for a dude that cleared waivers? Please stop it. Even retained, I wouldn't give up more than a 5th ish. Keep him.

With conditions and assuming this is closer to TDL I’d entertain that on canes end. Conditions around GP likely though.

Such a bad take.

Do you understand why he cleared waivers?

Terrible take. What I will say is this, you guys are in a sticky predicament with Vrana. He's most definitely considered a high-risk player right now given everything he's gone through with his personal issues, injuries, etc... He's finally found some footing in the AHL, which is a positive sign, but he's still a risk at the moment, so I think a 1st is a big stretch.

I think a 2nd with 50% retention would be perfectly fair for any team. Personally, I think you're better served by letting him finish the season. If he comes around and returns to form, you'd get a killing for him in the off-season.

You are entitled to your wrong opinion.

Who cares? That doesn't change his value. Any team could have had him for absolutely free and rejected the chance. I know he's got his own issues, I hope he gets through them, that doesn't change the situation

What do you mean who cares? You used that as part of your argument. So you're saying your argument was crap?

He has $5.25M cap hit. How many teams do you think can just scoop up a player with that size of a hit?

A team that put Max Pacioretty on LTIR and has more than 10 mil to spend? Are you saying you don't understand the argument? That's your mistake, not mine. If it's an issue with understanding, I can only reiterate. He just cleared waivers. If any team wanted him, they could have claimed him and made space for him. No team is going to part with a 1st to do that instead. Even if it saves 3 million, you could have dealt someone to make the money work. He's not worth it. The cap hit is not an excuse here.

First off, I'm not saying he's not a risk, but you're acting the dude is radiation.

Vrana was placed on waivers January 4th I believe. Pac didn't go back on LTIR permanently until after that, so your timing is off.

Do your homework, big boy.

You are getting Meier without edvinsson coming the other way

Oh, I totally agree. I *really* want to keep Vrana. I just can't keep that mentality and set myself up for failure.

When people say "you don't expect the Yzerplan," it's 100% true. So I'm just going to set my expectations low (i.e. Vrana will be off the team) and hope for the best (Vrana stays and goes back to scoring in abundance).

canes wont do that. pass.

Pacioretty had been hurt already, and they had the ability to make the paper move if they wanted to. He wasn't moved to LTIR until recently, but if they wanted Vrana, they could have had him for free.

"Do your homework, big boy"

Except Pac wasn't expected to miss the whole season, so you can't take on salary when you expect the player to come back. Not how the LTIR works.

arguing with that poster is really unnecessary. he doesnt do his research and make outlandish claims.

either way. Paying a first for a project doesnt make much sense. We are a paying undervalue for projects type team. Our best assets will be used to bring in a big talent.

Yeah, regardless I think you guys are better served by letting him find his game back at the NHL level and waiting until the off-season to re-evaluate.

if detroit is letting him go for pennies on the dollar the Canes would likely take that risk. if not, we likely go find a better deal elsewhere.

I'd just keep Vrana. If he returns to scoring every other game (40 goal pace with Red Wings) then he's worth much more than a waiver pickup. But trading Vrana on CFACGM is a waste of time because all people remember is that he cleared waivers. Like the Billy Joe Jim Bob knucklehead from Carolina.

And why did Vrana clear waivers? Because he hadn't even skated in 3 months and was nowhere near hockey shape. CFACGM is a comical place. Bertuzzi has basically been called a horrible player with low trade value yet he's always in the top 6 of Leafs CFACGM's.

Vrana apparently has zero value yet he's always on CFACGM geniuses first line. As I said, I'd just keep the guy. Red Wings biggest weakness is finishing scoring chances. What does Vrana do very well? He finishes scoring chances.

There's lots of logical reasons why he cleared. Billy Joe Jim Bob is just out of his element in understanding how the NHL works. And yes, I agree, as I said above, you're better served by letting him finish the season. It's not like you guys are in a rush this year. Plus, Yzerman is very calculated. He doesn't make desperation moves.

To be fair, and in retrospect, I would probably prefer to revert the Vrana trade, play him 3rd line (Ras - Veleno - Vrana), keep Soda in GR, and run a 4th line of Engvall - Suter - Zadina.

I'm boycotting remaining Red Wings games this season if I have to watch that god damned giraffe neck Engvall in a Red Wings uniform. He can F right off and use his giraffe neck to eat high foliage above the scoreboard somewhere else. Veleno's giraffe neck is more than enough for me.

We're not Avatar for F sakes!

Stevie definitely plays the long game and Red Wings fans never really know what he's up to because he leaks nothing. It's a nice change from Ken Holland who would always use his press dummies to tell Red Wings what to think.

I still remember Helene St. James saying how losing Marian Hossa to UFA was a good thing. "Holland had to earmark 3 mil to Jiri Hudler."

Uh, no he didn't. Holland should've dropped off Hudler at the daycare and re-signed Marian Hossa.