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Quoting: Caniac555

Continue to think Mercer would look great in Teal

Has carolina offered jarvis? once again if not then no need to include mercer, considering nobody close to his value has been put on the table

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.

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I can already see the press conference with Tom. We were in there and the ask was more than what we were willing to give.

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Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:33 p.m.

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This post is about the Devils right?

Quoting: dgibb10

Has carolina offered jarvis? once again if not then no need to include mercer, considering nobody close to his value has been put on the table

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:35 p.m.

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Those offers arent true.

The ask thats did exist were

1st + A prospect
1st + 2 B prospects
1st + 1 B prospect and a good young NHLer

My guesses for rough value are probably
Mercer + first for the first one
Holtz, Casey + First for the second maybe
Holtz Zetterlund + first for the third?

But thats assuming those views on prospects are true.

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Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.

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Quoting: Caniac555

This post is about the Devils right?

Yes. If no other team has offered a comparable asset, there is no reason to include Dawson Mercer.

As of right now Holtz remains the most valuable asset on the table

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:38 p.m.

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Quoting: papishark

I'd do the second and third deals assuming there's retention/wood/johnnson/whatever to make the money work

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:38 p.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Sharks consider
A-Prospect: Luke Hughes
B-Prospect: Holtz, Mukhamadullin
A/B tweener: Nemec

You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.

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Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:39 p.m.

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Quoting: papishark

Ok, So
Holtz
Casey
2023 1st
Zetterlund or Sharangovich

That is a reasonable offer.

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Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:40 p.m.

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Quoting: Klara

You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.

Its a quote from one of Shengs non sharks sources speculating . It was paywalled but I saw a screencap of it.

Not a verfied fact from SJ internally.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.

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Quoting: Shaners79

Ok, So
Holtz
Casey
2023 1st
Zetterlund or Sharangovich

That is a reasonable offer.

Yeah it probably is. I dont like it because I dont like Holtz, but assuming his value is something like 15th-20th overall I think its fair.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.

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Quoting: Shaners79

Ok, So
Holtz
Casey
2023 1st
Zetterlund or Sharangovich

That is a reasonable offer.

A bit of an overpay in my opinion but I'd do it hesitantly. However if Holtz isn't viewed highly by the sharks (viewed as B prospect) I'd rather just replace him with another guy.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.

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Quoting: Klara

You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.

That's what Peng said those players are tier-wise. And that old Peng article is referenced on here a lot.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.

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Yeah it probably is. I dont like it because I dont like Holtz, but assuming his value is something like 15th-20th overall I think its fair.

If the sharks feel the same way about holtz I think the devils would be happy to keep him.
1st
Yegor (makes money less of a hassle assuming he and Zett are viewed equally, if not then Zett)
Casey
Arseni
?

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.

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Quoting: papishark

This is not accurate.

It was
(A) roster player (Mercer)
(B) 1st rounder pick (1st)
(C) either A-prospect or two B-prospects

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.

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Quoting: papishark

Its a quote from one of Shengs non sharks sources speculating . It was paywalled but I saw a screencap of it.

Not a verfied fact from SJ internally.

Believe me, I was the one who showed them the article.

The article is basically a "source" that personally views prospects like that.

Here is the thing though. A few days ago, NHLfan was basically claiming that it's just known that any player that would go in the 1st round in a redraft is an A prospect. And any until the 3rd round is a B prospect. By that own standard, it's basically impossible that anybody anywhere would not consider Nemec or Holtz A prospects.

So either the source, who once again isn't even a San Jose source, is wrong, and NHLfan ignores it.

Or NHLfan is wrong, but won't admit it.

Being that everbody and their mother knows that Nemec is an A prospect, I think we know which case it is.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.

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Quoting: MellowK

That's what Peng said those players are tier-wise. And that old Peng article is referenced on here a lot.

Except it was what peng said a source (non SJ) interpreted A/B/C prospects as, not at all SJ's internal thinking.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.

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Quoting: Klara

You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.

It’s been reported in a few places and I have responded directly to you with links, sources. If someone is lying, it’s the writers of these stories or their sources.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:50 p.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

It’s been reported in a few places and I have responded directly to you with links, sources. If someone is lying, it’s the writers of these stories or their sources.

You mind sending a link to the thread where you shared this with me?

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:54 p.m.

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Quoting: Klara

Except it was what peng said a source (non SJ) interpreted A/B/C prospects as, not at all SJ's internal thinking.

Peng himself said "his sources". And these sources are the same sources that gave him the "1st + A prospect, 1st + 2 B prospects or 1st + 1 B prospect and young NHLer" price. So either all of it is true or none of it.

These trades are obviously exaggerated though. He implied that Luke+1st would be enough and Nemec+1st would be close.

Regardless, I hope Fitz is shopping around.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 9:58 p.m.

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Quoting: Klara

Here is the thing though. A few days ago, NHLfan was basically claiming that it's just known that any player that would go in the 1st round in a redraft is an A prospect. And any until the 3rd round is a B prospect

First, I do not know why so many Sharks fans continue to contest this. This is standard fare in scouting world.

Second, that Sheng Peng article has been echo’ed by other Sharks observers and referenced many times by Sharks fans on ACGM. If you want to start pushing back on them, be my guest. But when a Devils fan starts using the sources that Sharks want to fans use, don’t cry to us.

Feb. 24, 2023 at 10:03 p.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

If Gritsyuk were signed, he would carry almost as much value as Holtz. Problem is, he is going to return to KHL for 1-2 more years. There was something the other day about a Sharks scout attending Avangard games. So maybe he was in discussion was this was still active.

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Feb. 24, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.

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I have pushed back on them many times. I have corrected a few specifically on Holtz. (Anybody who actually believes Nemec is a B prospects isn't worth the effort)

My point is if you KNOW the "Sharks see Nemec is a B prospect" thing is obviously false, why do you continue to push it?

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Feb. 24, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.

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