Matheson for Durzi and Peterson

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I feel like we're making trades here just for the sake of making trades.

1) Calgary doesn't need LHD
2) Play at Harvard is not indicative of play in the NHL and there is no way this team pairs 3 rookies from Harvard on their 2nd line next year
3) Hutson is a high risk prospect, but he's our best chance at a player with a ceiling who can be a #1 Defenseman and we should not risk that for another winger
4) There may be something to Matheson for Durzi, but there is no rush. This can be done at any point and other options may appear in the offseason.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 6:09 a.m.

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Literally every team declines.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 6:20 a.m.

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Hutson dropped in the draft for a reason. While the skill is obviously there the size is a huge concern. Sure there are some great examples of small players with tons of potential flourishing but there is many more of them falling short (not pun intended). Size is also a much more prominent thing on defense, take Sam Girard for example, he's 5'10 and 170 lbs. Sure he's a decent player but he still gets pushed off the puck super easily. No way would I consider trading my #1 prospect for him even if LD was a position of need.

FYI Hutson is between 5'8 and 5'9 not 5'10

Feb. 28, 2023 at 7:19 a.m.

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He was 5'8 when drafted and now he's 5'10 according to numerous sources.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 7:20 a.m.

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He was 5'8 when drafted and now he's 5'10 according to numerous sources.

Sites have been well known to put false heights for hockey players for years, I highly doubt he grew 2 inches and gained next to zero weight in a year

Feb. 28, 2023 at 7:23 a.m.

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Sites have been well known to put false heights for hockey players for years, I highly doubt he grew 2 inches and gained next to zero weight in a year

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Sites have been well known to put false heights for hockey players for years, I highly doubt he grew 2 inches and gained next to zero weight in a year

Right. He grew 2 inches and gained 15 pounds.

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Feb. 28, 2023 at 7:28 a.m.

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Right. He grew 2 inches and gained 15 pounds.

I agree. It's basically common knowledge at this point. I am not knocking you, @Ledge_And_Dairy, just saying that fact. Please don't hate.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 7:46 a.m.

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Right. He grew 2 inches and gained 15 pounds.

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I agree. It's basically common knowledge at this point. I am not knocking you, Ledge_And_Dairy, just saying that fact. Please don't hate.

NCAA, the league he plays in lists him as 5'10 155lbs, last summer when he was drafted he was listed at 58.25 and 158lbs. NCAA sites list him at 5'9. He didn't gain 15 lbs. But it's not as much about the height, as it is a mix of both. Take DeBrincat for example, he's 5'7 but he's 165lbs. He's very built for his size. Caufield too, he's 175 lbs

Feb. 28, 2023 at 8:01 a.m.

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Your obsession with proving that Hutson has not grown when it's been reported by accredited journalists that he has is really confounding. If you don't like the prospect, why do you care?

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Feb. 28, 2023 at 8:25 a.m.

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Your obsession with proving that Hutson has not grown when it's been reported by accredited journalists that he has is really confounding. If you don't like the prospect, why do you care?

Huh? I have nothing against the prospect but Im simply stating what is on his teams profile page. You can always link these journalists to make a point. Regardless I would still never trade Coronato for him. Calgary has young high potential LD coming up in the pipeline in Poirier and also have a severe lack of quality RW prospects

Feb. 28, 2023 at 8:53 a.m.

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I think Drouin would be a good add for the Jets, needs to be different conditions then that for it to upgrade to a 1st though.. lol

Realistically he's worth like a 4th or 5th with the retention and no conditions.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 8:54 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Right. I did say the same that this makes no sense for Calgary:

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Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:08 a.m.

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Right. I did say the same that this makes no sense for Calgary:

I know that, im not arguing that with you. I am however asking for the articles you mentioned

Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:11 a.m.

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We've seen for a decades now, thousands of players who excel in NCAA, junior, European leagues, and even the AHL who never get a sniff at the NHL. It's usually because of size/strenght/or speed.
Good luck to any young man who dreams in playing in the NHL.....but the next step(s) to reach the NHL from when you're 18 years old or so is daunting.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:25 a.m.

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I know that, im not arguing that with you. I am however asking for the articles you mentioned

I think the Athletic had something... My subscription has lapsed.

For sure Eric Engels in the Sick Podcast, Arpon Basu on The Athletic support Podcast, and JiC on his daily show for BPM have all discussed it as a fact.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:27 a.m.

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I still have mine, ill look into it

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Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:31 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

My source is was updated a few months ago.
Not a single site you listed can make that claim
To me that ends that debate as Source's matter most
When they're there is less degree's of seperation, im sure you'd agree?

I do get your point about adding Muscle but His dad was a small players to playing at 180lbs
Its not like you can argue he's to light without ignoring the Genetics side to the Equaition.
If its about both Height and Weight theres evidence showing he can meet those requirements.

Right now he's balancing School and Hockey in a league that prioritizes School over Hockey.
Caufield didnt do much to bulk up during his time in NCAA either
Now he'll just have to train like Crazy as Suzuki did coming out of Junior needing to push out a Center to play in the NHL,He didnt at first on 4th line with Thompson ,Then time there made something click and that was his last stint in bottom 6(Thompson a workout freak since getting Sober). Caufield had Toffoli who we all know lives an Ultra Healthy ,extremely active life style and constantly trains

I think we just need an Athletic Freak beside Hutson
I know MTL has a few so i've got 0% concern him jumping to the NHL is an issue.
But im not sure about Calgary as i dont know their players that well , havent watched their teams in depth interviews like MTL has on Habs tv.
That said if you got Toffoli there , the kid should be fine given he was a big help in cole finding himself at the NHL level.

Point taken though
Whats it take to land Coronato then
Where's CGY in your opinion lacking

Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

I still have mine, ill look into it

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-canadiens-prospect-lane-hutson-is-taking-college-hockey-by-storm-163048535.html

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Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:36 a.m.

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Easy no for Winnipeg. No chance the Jets risk giving up a 1st for a worthless player.

Feb. 28, 2023 at 10:09 a.m.

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Source? What source?

As for landing Coronato? Nothing outside of Suziki, Dach or Caufield would make me consider putting him on the table. He is exactly the kind of player Calgary so desperately needs outside a top 5 player in the league

Feb. 28, 2023 at 10:20 a.m.

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Right. He grew 2 inches and gained 15 pounds.

I did a search on Caufield to try to find context for a comparison. So i used Googles tools to rule out all articles not posted after his draft with training camp the cut off.
Only ones with a 154 to 165 were posted i found before the draft with an outlier of 146 that were printed before the Draft that were on page 1 of Google Search.
Source's for the heavier weights were all almost exclusively for fan sites , the lightest weight it was clear they were refrencing sources for a year earlier as they display .
The most Credible source found 4 pages down in the search as The Athletic which listed him at 157lbs not 165 with no updates from NHL or NCAA at that time .

I got for Caufield on page 1 of Googles Search for that specified time period
162
157
162
146(2018 source year before the draft)
165
165
163
154

I did all that footwork for a reason as when i did it with Hutson it was almost always 5'8 and 148lbs before the draft.
After the draft it was always 5'8 or 5'9 and 155-157lbs until the post Training Camp updates by Goterrier's his NCAA hockey club at 5'10 and 155lbs as of 6 ish months ago

That means he put on 7lbs of muscle between the start of last year and the start of this year.
Given his dad capped out at 5'11 and 201lbs there's no reason to think that Hutson cant grow.
What was impossible was finding a source that has a 15lb difference period for Hutson which was also why i looked up Caufields Numbers to prove with one of his examples that just doesnt happen.
Excluding the 2018 source being refrenced the biggest gap was 11lbs not 15lbs .

Only sources spouting his nonsense were posted way after with no earlier sources to back it up.
We can safely disregard his opinion on the "15lbs" non sense at the very least.
The only Caufield i saw at or above 175lbs in that time frame is Judd Caufield at 207lbs

Feb. 28, 2023 at 10:21 a.m.

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Elite prospects has him at 161...

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Feb. 28, 2023 at 10:23 a.m.

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Yeah i just dont see the same thing , he's not even the best player on his line as Hobey Baker Nominations are showing he's not even a favorite for the Award.
He's good dont get me wrong , he's an All Star for sure but he's not worth a Suzuki or Caufield and is about on Par with Dach.

Fair enough we'll give up uniting the whole line
The best player and the 3rd best player on that line will work fine

Feb. 28, 2023 at 10:28 a.m.

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Elite prospects has him at 161...

yeah it has him at 5'11 and 161lbs on their last update from world juniors .
I just didnt trust it over NCAA's numbers

I have no doubt Hutson will be like his father who was 5'11 and 201lbs.
While he might not be that heavy i see 180-185lbs in his prime years

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