Hawks probably accept

What is up with everyone's fascination of trading Pageau?? He is an awesome center that is good in many areas of the game. Having him and Horvat for years to come will be lethal for mismatches.

I prefer keeping him as well. He's a 3C on paper but does so much more. He's worth his $5m AAV

Pageau has 1 5v5 goal in 680 min of ice time. If that were anyone else theyd be getting killed for it and you know it lol. He’s a 3C on paper and his impact is that of an average 3C. I’m open to hearing any counter arguments

The truth is and most fans don’t like to admit it, but Pageau seems like a good team guy and even if he was being paid 10 mill fans wouldn’t want to get rid of him because they have an emotional attachment

I love Pageau, I just thought for a shakeup this would be a good roster. I have zero issue with keeping him.

In fairness I don't think Pageau gets many offensive zone starts 5v5. And even with that he is the 4th highest scoring forward (excluding Horvat) on the team and 5th on the team in goals. Tied for 1st in power play goals with Nelson and Dobson. Highly effective in the defensive zone in addition to the obvious being key faceoff guy/PKer etc.

I have bad news if you're expecting him to get traded. Really don't see that happening. Isles will continue to dominate the dots with him and Horvat

I understand. I honestly don't see too much shakeup happening to the roster next season other than a few small pieces that could change. UFA's like Mayfield, varlamov, engvall, Fasching and parise could potentially be replaced, but I expect the Isles to try and keep them all by moving out Baileys contract. Since the Horvat trade the Islanders have been a completely different team and I think going into next season with a healthy lineup would be a top team.

75% of Pageau’s shifts are either on the fly, in the offensive zone or in the neutral zone. Pageau is deployed as a top line center, obviously he’s going to rank high on pts compared to the rest of the team. How do you think 1 5v5 goal is acceptable? If this were Wahlstrom, barzal, a guy like eberle etc..you’d be adding picks for them to be traded.

Pageau is not highly effective in the defensive zone. They give up more goals with him on the ice.

I am not expecting Pageau to be traded, Lou has an ego and he won’t trade any player he gave up a 1st for. It’s just sad there are different standards held for different players. Pageau can have 1 5v5 goal the entire season, but let’s keep him at 5 mill per. Dobson produces points at an elite rate but because he struggled defensively he should be traded. Interesting

Pageau is a good 3C, worth around 2.5-3 mill per. Arguing he’s worth 5 mill is simply based on him being a nice guy/signing an autograph or something like that- because it can’t be for on ice play

Pageau is no liability defensively, but to say he’s highly effective just isn’t true. Here are the isles goals against per 60 with each player on the ice. Isles give up more goals with Pageau than almost every other isles forward

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Stop using actual goals against it’s a horrible stat (that’s basically the equivalent of +/-). If a player is constantly matched up against an opponents top lines and getting a lot of d-zone starts you are gonna give up more physical goals. How about you use expected goals? You know the stat that doesn’t fit your narrative so you don’t post it even though it’s much more accurate than the stat you posted.
I’m also gonna guess that you used all situations instead of 5v5 bc you have a history of using disingenuous arguments.

Just as I suspected another very disingenuous argument from you. It may be true that JGP only starts 24.3% of his shifts in the D-zone but that’s the highest number on the team. To pretend that he gets deployed like a top line player is just a dick move (yet not unexpected from db1899)



Don’t let this dude bullsh*t you he does it to everyone and constantly misrepresents stats and tries to hide things if they don’t fit his narrative.

Yup this guy is a clown

Last part rings truest, I remember being skeptical about the trade back in 2020 and first game with the team, against the Rangers of all teams. Trouba lays out Michael Dal Colle and Pageau is instantly in there trying to fight a guy 4 inches and 20 pounds heavier than him. Definitely a way to win the fanbase over.

The other thing I think you have to give him credit for is that his linemates have been rough this year. His top 4 most common wingers at 5v5t this year are Parise, Holmstrom, Fasching, and Bailey. Not exactly a murderer's row of finishers there.

No problem man! You ask, I deliver. Pageau’s expected goals against, still bad

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man you guys sound like a couple of peasant liberals 😂- grow up guys it’s just capfriendly

I’ve never once said Pageau is a bad player. He’s a good 3C, but that’s all he is. Yeah you get it, he’s a likeable guy - if you ran a poll for isles fans if they would trade Pageau for Toews, 90% would say no. It’s a special fanbase lol.

Parise has played at a 2nd line level and drives play at both ends of the ice. He’s been stapled to Pageau for the most part so I can’t give Pageau the benefit of the doubt here

It’s ok to be wrong buddy. Pageau has struggled defensively this season.

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Pageau's also been hurt by a little regression to the mean - going back to 2019-20, he was shooting 16.2%; this year he's dropped to 10.3. He shoots the way he had the past 3 seasons, he's got 15-16 goals in 56 GP, and scoring at a 50 point pace as a 3C is worth the $5M. I gotta wonder what happened to his defense this year though - part of me thinks it's gotta be an anomaly because how do you go from his career norms to being this poor defensively?

That’s funny bc moneypuck has him at a plus net rating, on ice xGoals% is over 50 and he’s playing with absolute scrubs. It also doesn’t change the fact that you constantly misrepresent things to try and win the argument instead of having a good faith discussion. I’m sorry you’re such a sad old man screaming at clouds, I hope you find some happiness in life.

He’s over 50% on xG% because he can drive play offensively. He just can’t finish or play competent defense. You need to learn how to understand the metrics you’re calling for lol

Old man 😂. You’re running out of things to say.

Pageau’s been cheating the game a bit this season. He’s driving offense, but the finishing and below average defense makes him barely replacement level. It’s possible he rebounds next season but not above a 3rd line impact . I would expect more than 1 5v5 goals. He can win 100% of his faceoffs and that would still be unacceptable