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Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:13 a.m.
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It's not difficult when you play be a GM on easy mode sure, but sabres need less forwards, not more. They are certainly not paying for a contract dump. Those signings are also low balled.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:14 a.m.
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It's not difficult when you play be a GM on easy mode sure, but sabres need less forwards, not more. They are certainly not paying for a contract dump. Those signings are also low balled.


Don't forget the 20 man roster.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.
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20 man roster can't work
Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.
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It's not difficult when you play be a GM on easy mode sure, but sabres need less forwards, not more. They are certainly not paying for a contract dump. Those signings are also low balled.


I would honestly be fine with goodrow if both girgensons and okposo leave
Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:25 a.m.
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Quoting: wojme
It's not difficult when you play be a GM on easy mode sure, but sabres need less forwards, not more. They are certainly not paying for a contract dump. Those signings are also low balled.


lmao dude. First of all Goodrow is certainly not a cap dump, he would be a key and valuable piece for an inexperienced Sabres team, and second off all Laf is going to get something like 3x$2.3m like Kakko did last offseason. The only lowballed offer is maybe Kane but that cancels out with the inflated contract he gave Laf
Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:27 a.m.
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I would honestly be fine with goodrow if both girgensons and okposo leave


Buffalo should look at guys like Sturm or Laughton via trade. Much better fits for Buffalo imo.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:32 a.m.
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lmao dude. First of all Goodrow is certainly not a cap dump, he would be a key and valuable piece for an inexperienced Sabres team, and second off all Laf is going to get something like 3x$2.3m like Kakko did last offseason. The only lowballed offer is maybe Kane but that cancels out with the inflated contract he gave Laf


He's an overpaid 4th liner that is needed to be dumped for cap reasons, aka a cap dump. He would just be taking up a roster spot. If girgs and Okposo are gone, the sabres might think about it but you would have to pay them to take his contract.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.
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20 man roster can't work


they have enough to call up Brodzinski/Harpur. The point is to accrue as much before that's necessary.

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It's not difficult when you play be a GM on easy mode sure, but sabres need less forwards, not more. They are certainly not paying for a contract dump. Those signings are also low balled.


Goodrow is hardly a contract dump. Regardless, you are acting like I'm asking for the moon. A 4th and 6th is hardly a large haul for what he brings to a youthful Sabres team. Honestly, NYR may get paid to give up goodrow so a team can buy him out and get an additional 200k in cap (due to formula). It doesn't necessarily need to be Buffalo anyway

Low balled signings? Chytil just signed a 4.375mx4yr deal and he was expected to be the most expensive of the three RFAs. Miller gets a bit less in terms of AAV but also gets a year less. Maybe a year too much on the Laffy deal, still you are just nitpicking at that point?

The only one that was an underpayment was on Kane, and this is assuming he takes a paycut to:
1) spend 2 years on the same team (before the trade he said he wanted to stay with whatever team he went to)
2) he also gets to keep playing with Panarin
3) keep going for another cup (NYR are contenders)
Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:39 a.m.
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they have enough to call up Brodzinski/Harpur. The point is to accrue as much before that's necessary.



Goodrow is hardly a contract dump. Regardless, you are acting like I'm asking for the moon. A 4th and 6th is hardly a large haul for what he brings to a youthful Sabres team. Honestly, NYR may get paid to give up goodrow so a team can buy him out and get an additional 200k in cap (due to formula). It doesn't necessarily need to be Buffalo anyway

Low balled signings? Chytil just signed a 4.375mx4yr deal and he was expected to be the most expensive of the three RFAs. Miller gets a bit less in terms of AAV but also gets a year less. Maybe a year too much on the Laffy deal, still you are just nitpicking at that point?

The only one that was an underpayment was on Kane, and this is assuming he takes a paycut to:
1) spend 2 years on the same team (before the trade he said he wanted to stay with whatever team he went to)
2) he also gets to keep playing with Panarin
3) keep going for another cup (NYR are contenders)


Let’s look at the reality here. Barclay Goodrow is a bottom six forward who makes over 3.5 million dollars. He plays center for the rangers, but he can’t win face offs. And he’s on the wrong side of 30. He’s not worth a bag of blue pucks.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:41 a.m.
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He's an overpaid 4th liner that is needed to be dumped for cap reasons, aka a cap dump. He would just be taking up a roster spot. If girgs and Okposo are gone, the sabres might think about it but you would have to pay them to take his contract.


He legitimately brings nothing to your team that you can’t find for the NHL minimum. I have a lot of buddies who are Rangers fans, because as we all know nobody is perfect, they will tell you the same ****ing thing I did. Goodrow is a joke.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:48 a.m.
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He's an overpaid 4th liner that is needed to be dumped for cap reasons, aka a cap dump. He would just be taking up a roster spot. If girgs and Okposo are gone, the sabres might think about it but you would have to pay them to take his contract.


He is a slightly overpaid third liner, only is a fourth liner because he is on a stacked team. His playoff experience is infinitely more valuable for the sabres, and the package centered around a 4th is basically nothing
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 9:54 a.m.
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Let’s look at the reality here. Barclay Goodrow is a bottom six forward who makes over 3.5 million dollars. He plays center for the rangers, but he can’t win face offs. And he’s on the wrong side of 30. He’s not worth a bag of blue pucks.


lol he just turned 30 last month. You are acting like he's 35+ (which is the wrong side of your 30s). He's won a majority of the faceoffs in his career. This is the first year he's been under 49.2%. Is he a bit overpaid? Yeah, that goes without saying. But, he's great on the PK, chips in ~30 points, brings a ton of leadership/playoff experience, is a great locker room guy and can play up and down the lineup. To a team that has a ton of cap, a 4th round and a 6th round pick is not a bad investment (these picks rarely become NHLers).

Either way, a buyout of him actually GIVES and ADDITIONAL 200k in cap space. To teams up against the cap (there are only what, 11 currently with $0 space?) that is an asset for next year, regardless of what comes down the pike later (mostly a 1.25m buyout cap hit, outside of next year which is a net positive and one bad year of 3+m in 4 years after the cap has gone up). To a team like Tampa, Vegas, Edmonton, even 200k can make a difference.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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The rangers cant give laf 5 years as it walks him right to UFA. While that keeps the cap number down, its a terrible deal in terms of roster management.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 10:04 a.m.
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lol he just turned 30 last month. You are acting like he's 35+ (which is the wrong side of your 30s). He's won a majority of the faceoffs in his career. This is the first year he's been under 49.2%. Is he a bit overpaid? Yeah, that goes without saying. But, he's great on the PK, chips in ~30 points, brings a ton of leadership/playoff experience, is a great locker room guy and can play up and down the lineup. To a team that has a ton of cap, a 4th round and a 6th round pick is not a bad investment (these picks rarely become NHLers).

Either way, a buyout of him actually GIVES and ADDITIONAL 200k in cap space. To teams up against the cap (there are only what, 11 currently with $0 space?) that is an asset for next year, regardless of what comes down the pike later (mostly a 1.25m buyout cap hit, outside of next year which is a net positive and one bad year of 3+m in 4 years after the cap has gone up). To a team like Tampa, Vegas, Edmonton, even 200k can make a difference.


Yeah Goodrow just turned 30, but he is signed until his age 34/35 season. If you bought Goodrow out, out have to remember that the long term cap ramifications are significant. Then you have to account for the fact that the reason Goodrow’s face off numbers look ok on paper is because he hasn’t taken that many per year before this season. He has never taken as many face offs as a normal fourth line center like Bonino, Kampf or Cizikas.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:23 a.m.
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Yeah Goodrow just turned 30, but he is signed until his age 34/35 season. If you bought Goodrow out, out have to remember that the long term cap ramifications are significant. Then you have to account for the fact that the reason Goodrow’s face off numbers look ok on paper is because he hasn’t taken that many per year before this season. He has never taken as many face offs as a normal fourth line center like Bonino, Kampf or Cizikas.


What are you talking about? He took over 500 in 2018-19 (53.7%), ~800 in 2019-20 (49.2%), and ~750 last year (49.4) as opposed to ~620 this year. Cizikas makes 2.5m signed for four more years (age 32), Bonino 2m (age 34, when he signed his 29 year old contract he got 4.1m fyi), Kampf 1.5m and expiring this year (age 28).

In terms of buyout cap hit, it's only greater than 1.26m for ONE year. Hardly "significant". Keep in mind his cap hit is -$200,000k if bought out this summer. It's only bad year 4, which by then the cap will go up by more than 5m. Won't be an issue.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:33 a.m.
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What are you talking about? He took over 500 in 2018-19 (53.7%), ~800 in 2019-20 (49.2%), and ~750 last year (49.4) as opposed to ~620 this year. Cizikas makes 2.5m signed for four more years (age 32), Bonino 2m (age 34, when he signed his 29 year old contract he got 4.1m fyi), Kampf 1.5m and expiring this year (age 28).

In terms of buyout cap hit, it's only greater than 1.26m for ONE year. Hardly "significant". Keep in mind his cap hit is -$200,000k if bought out this summer. It's only bad year 4, which by then the cap will go up by more than 5m. Won't be an issue.


First off you’re talking about an eight year buyout which is never fun no matter the cap hit per year. Also there are literally guys in the league who have won 800+ face offs this year. Goodrow isn’t taking that many lmao.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:33 a.m.
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He legitimately brings nothing to your team that you can’t find for the NHL minimum. I have a lot of buddies who are Rangers fans, because as we all know nobody is perfect, they will tell you the same ****ing thing I did. Goodrow is a joke.


You and your buddies don't actually watch games, just stats lol
Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.
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You and your buddies don't actually watch games, just stats lol


I wasn’t aware I had buddies lol. Look I like a lot of the rangers roster, but not Goodrow.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.
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What are you talking about? He took over 500 in 2018-19 (53.7%), ~800 in 2019-20 (49.2%), and ~750 last year (49.4) as opposed to ~620 this year. Cizikas makes 2.5m signed for four more years (age 32), Bonino 2m (age 34, when he signed his 29 year old contract he got 4.1m fyi), Kampf 1.5m and expiring this year (age 28).

In terms of buyout cap hit, it's only greater than 1.26m for ONE year. Hardly "significant". Keep in mind his cap hit is -$200,000k if bought out this summer. It's only bad year 4, which by then the cap will go up by more than 5m. Won't be an issue.


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You and your buddies don't actually watch games, just stats lol


Look at the end of the day Goodrow has literally won less face offs this year than Brady Tkachuk. He’s taken less face offs than him too. Like I’m not even sure how that happened to be honest.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.
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What are you talking about? He took over 500 in 2018-19 (53.7%), ~800 in 2019-20 (49.2%), and ~750 last year (49.4) as opposed to ~620 this year. Cizikas makes 2.5m signed for four more years (age 32), Bonino 2m (age 34, when he signed his 29 year old contract he got 4.1m fyi), Kampf 1.5m and expiring this year (age 28).

In terms of buyout cap hit, it's only greater than 1.26m for ONE year. Hardly "significant". Keep in mind his cap hit is -$200,000k if bought out this summer. It's only bad year 4, which by then the cap will go up by more than 5m. Won't be an issue.


Quoting: Fox_Czar_Cup
You and your buddies don't actually watch games, just stats lol


Look at the end of the day you do have to look at Goodrow’s actual impact, and if the dude is getting paid 3.5 million to be a bottom six forward who can’t even win face offs and doesn’t provide offense what am I supposed to say about it? I’m not gonna lie and say he has value when he doesn’t. Rangers have a great team, and if Goodrow is ur biggest problem you don’t have that much to worry about. That being said he’s still overpaid and has little to no trade value.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:45 a.m.
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Look at the end of the day you do have to look at Goodrow’s actual impact, and if the dude is getting paid 3.5 million to be a bottom six forward who can’t even win face offs and doesn’t provide offense what am I supposed to say about it? I’m not gonna lie and say he has value when he doesn’t. Rags have a great team, and if Goodrow is ur biggest problem you don’t have that much to worry about. That being said he’s still overpaid and has little to no trade value.


All wrong. He's the glue to our whole bottom 6, pk, leadership etc. He is obvious positive value. As opposed to Pageau Garland Coleman...
Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:47 a.m.
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All wrong. He's the glue to our whole bottom 6, pk, leadership etc. He is obvious positive value. As opposed to Pageau Garland Coleman...


Garland is a productive middle six winger who drives play and is good for two hundred feet. Not sure how you can compare Goodrow to him. You also can’t compare Goodrow to Pageau since only one of those guys can actually play center. So really if you want to say Goodrow has more value than Coleman fine, but they both have contracts that ****ing suck so who gives a flying ****.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:48 a.m.
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All wrong. He's the glue to our whole bottom 6, pk, leadership etc. He is obvious positive value. As opposed to Pageau Garland Coleman...


Positive value doesn’t work based on vibes, its based on ur play. You are describing a better version of Uncle Leo rn. Meanwhile idk why you are going after Pageau and Garland who I didn’t even bring up. If you want to go and look at how those guys have played down the stretch tho be my guest. They haven’t disappointed like Barclay has.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 11:55 a.m.
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It's not difficult when you play be a GM on easy mode sure, but sabres need less forwards, not more. They are certainly not paying for a contract dump. Those signings are also low balled.


Low key not sure why this triggered them. It’s just reality.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 12:11 p.m.
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Positive value doesn’t work based on vibes, its based on ur play. You are describing a better version of Uncle Leo rn. Meanwhile idk why you are going after Pageau and Garland who I didn’t even bring up. If you want to go and look at how those guys have played down the stretch tho be my guest. They haven’t disappointed like Barclay has.


Disappointed?? Lol...
 
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