Lets all agree DeBrincat is gone

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Created by: Beargold

Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 3, 2023

Published: Apr. 3, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Hamonic can step in if JBD can't handle the 3RD role, or even have Brannstrom switch to 3RD and bring up Kleven. Left Kleven in AHL to let him develop another year rather than being stuck at 3LD; especially with Branny playing well.

Keeping Tkachuk and Norris together, but Norris can slot back to 2C if he doesn't pan out on 1RD or if Pinto falters at 2C. Hoping Ostapchuk does well at 3C (I've heard positive things about him as a middle-6 potential so we will see). If it isn't working, could send him to the AHL, slot Grieg as 3C and have Jarventie come in as LW relief.

Need cap? Trade Joseph. Resigned Watson to help punch people in the mouth when they bully us.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
Latimer, Carson	3	$825,000
Loheit, Luke	3	$825,000
Pettersson, Oskar	3	$825,000
Roger, Ben	3	$825,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Brännström, Erik	6	$2,000,000
Bernard-Docker, Jacob	2	$1,000,000
Ferguson, Dylan	1	$775,000
Gauthier, Julien	1	$850,000
Larsson, Jacob	1	$800,000
Lodin, Viktor	1	$875,000
Mandolese, Kevin	2	$875,000
Pinto, Shane	3	$2,500,000
Sokolov, Egor	2	$950,000
DeBrincat, Alex	8	$8,000,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Hamonic, Travis	1	$1,250,000
Brassard, Derick	1	$775,000
Lucchini, Jacob	1	$775,000
Chartier, Rourke	1	$775,000
Sabourin, Scott	1	$775,000
Watson, Austin	1	$1,250,000

Trades

OTT

2024 6th round pick (TBL)

TBL

Kelly, Parker

Additional Details:

Type of player Tampa seems to like and is cheap. Can plug a slot on the 4th line if needed and is a no-risk trade for a 6th rounder.

OTT

Saros, Juuse

NSH

DeBrincat, Alex

Additional Details:

DeBrincat - Duchene - Johansen
Forsberg - Novak - Scissons
Trenin - Glass - Tomasino
Asplund - Jankowski - Sherwood/Smith

Josi - Fabbro
McDonagh - Barrie
Aluzon - Carrier / Foote

Lankinen
Askarov

Depending on signings, should stay under the cap and still have a solid goalie tandem

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $1,833,333
Colin White: $875,000
Michael Del Zotto: $750,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Matt Murray: $1,562,500 (25%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$82,924,880	$0	$1,932,500	$575,120

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tkachuk, Brady $8,205,714$8,205,714 LW UFA - 5	Stützle, Tim $8,350,000$8,350,000 C UFA - 8	Norris, Joshua $7,950,000$7,950,000 C UFA - 7
Greig, Ridly $863,333$863,333 C, LW RFA - 2	Pinto, Shane $2,500,000$2,500,000 C RFA - 1	Giroux, Claude $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, C NMC UFA - 2
Sokolov, Egor $950,000$950,000 LW RFA - 1	Ostapchuk, Zack $825,000$825,000 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 3	Batherson, Drake $4,975,000$4,975,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Joseph, Mathieu $2,950,000$2,950,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Kastelic, Mark $835,000$835,000 C, RW RFA - 2	Watson, Austin $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 5	Sanderson, Jake $925,000$925,000 ($1,850,000$2M) LD UFA - 1	Saros, Juuse $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 2
Chychrun, Jakob $4,600,000$4,600,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Zub, Artem $4,600,000$4,600,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Forsberg, Anton $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 2
Brännström, Erik $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD, LW RFA - 1	Bernard-Docker, Jacob $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Brassard, Derick $775,000$775,000 C, LW UFA
Hamonic, Travis $1,250,000$1,250,000 RD UFA - 2
Gauthier, Julien $850,000$850,000 RW UFA - 2

Apr. 3, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.

capsfan2121

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I’d you are gonna move norris to wing. Trade Debrincat to the capitals and we will give you Kuzy retained and other things.

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Apr. 3, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.

athrin

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NSH is going to add a 1st and maybe more, Cat in a "off" year still has 26G and 62P has far more value than a G, no mater who that G is, G are not worth remotely close to what everyone here think they are, the position is to unpredictable to trade prime assets.

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Apr. 3, 2023 at 12:38 p.m.

Beargold

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Quoting: capsfan2121

I’d you are gonna move norris to wing. Trade Debrincat to the capitals and we will give you Kuzy retained and other things.

Yeah, I saw some of your posts about getting DeBrincat for folks like Lappy, Iorio, Kuzy, or Mantha! I just figured Saros would address a glaring hole for Ottawa whereas forwards (or even another D prospect) aren't as big priorities for the Senators.

That being said, I'm not wholly against the idea of getting Iorio as part of a return for DeBrincat.

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Apr. 3, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.

Beargold

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Quoting: athrin

Honestly, I'm glad the problem is I undervalued DeBrincat in this one. As a Sens fan it is hard to not be biased!

Apr. 3, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.

capsfan2121

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Quoting: Beargold

Kuzy 2 mil retained Iorio and pick. Thoughts?

Apr. 3, 2023 at 12:42 p.m.

athrin

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Quoting: Beargold

Honestly, I'm glad the problem is I undervalued DeBrincat in this one. As a Sens fan it is hard to not be biased!

people here overvalue assets, everyone thinks they are going to get the moon for their players in a trade and that RARELY ever happens, look at 2 OTT trades in the last year, Cat and Chych, both CHI and ARI got far less than what EVERYONE though they would get for said 2 players and considering OTT got raped in the Gus for Talbot trade, no chance OTT trades anything more than a 2nd and or B- prospect for another G

Apr. 3, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.

MoSeider53

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Poile isn't giving up Saros for DeBrincat who could walk in 1 year, Nashville's main core is aging with Duchene and Johansen they'll probably at least need to do some retooling.

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Apr. 3, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.

Beargold

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Poile isn't giving up Saros for DeBrincat who could walk in 1 year, Nashville's main core is aging with Duchene and Johansen they'll probably at least need to do some retooling.

In the signed RFA section it shows that DeBrincat would be signed for 8x8 prior to trading him. Should, in theory, help take out some of that uncertainty involved in the trade. Whether or not he'd sign for 8x8 knowing he'd be sent off to Nashville is unclear, of course.

I get what you're saying, but if they're looking to retool and get younger, isn't a 25yr old scoring winger what they'd be interested in?

Apr. 3, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.

gmgb

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I'd imagine DeBrincat would want more than $8M, even if he was going to an economically advantageous city like NSH.

It's a moot point though, as NSH declines. Without Saros they're a lottery team, and adding a winger doesn't change that. If Juice gets moved, NSH would be doing a complete teardown. They'd only be interested in futures, in that situation.

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Apr. 3, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.

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Quoting: athrin

A healthy Norris, maturing Greig, Formenton hopefully returning from exile, perhaps Jarventie in the future or even a less expensive UFA can make up for the loss of DeBrincat in the short and longer term (IMO Norris is actually a better sniper on the PP than DeBrincat). The missing piece in Ottawa's set is not a sniper but a #1 goaltender (like Saros, Gibson or Hart) pending the maturation of Sogaard or Merilainen. Better to pay the price and make the deal that completes the set (even if the price is high) than to refuse to pay the price and continue with a roster containing an obvious weak link.

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Apr. 3, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.

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Quoting: gmgb

Even with a goalie such as Askarov coming up? I realize he's young and in the AHL so this is a legitimate question for a Preds fan since I genuinely have no idea beyond your standard hype around him.

Apr. 3, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.

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gmgb

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Quoting: Beargold

Even with a goalie such as Askarov coming up? I realize he's young and in the AHL so this is a legitimate question for a Preds fan since I genuinely have no idea beyond your standard hype around him.

As talented as Askarov is, he still has a lot of things to work on before he's an NHL goalie. My uneducated guess is that it'll be two more seasons until he's a full time NHLer.

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