Canes likely pass. If we add to the roster it’ll be for futures

canes fans will decline saying jarvis is already better than willy

Lol. Only one will say that and he should be ignored anyways

That KK contract alone nukes any value he has, especially to a team like the leafs

I'd rather keep what we have on the roster as we have plenty of futures to make a move for a scoring winger. Nylander fills that hole, but trading KK leaves us with a big hole at center. Just seems counter-productive to part with a player like that just for an upgrade on the wing, we can get what we need without subtracting that much from the current roster.

KK is already performing at contract and getting better

I think people should open their eyes to what KK really is versus what they think he is. KK’s contract does not have negative value. He’s played extremely well the second half of this season and for $4.82m he’s going to only be a better bargain as he continues to grow.

These types of comments are made with the expectation that KK is supposed to be a 70 point offensive 2C, but fail to understand that he’s actually a extremely effective two-way centerman slotted as a middle 6 center…

He’s more like Phillip Denault which is a value for 7 more years.

I doubt you’ll find more than 1 Canes fans who will say this. Nylander for Jarvis straight up, the Canes do. Thanks for the comments.

Commenting on the trade directly - this doesn’t make sense for the Canes and it doesn’t have anything to do with William Nylander. unquestionably the Canes get the best player in this deal, but they are immediately looking to replace KK as a value middle 6 two way center with cost certainty for 7 more years.

I would entertain this if the cost was Jarvis plus for Willie, but I don’t see the Canes and leafs as trading partner if it comes down to trying Willie as the path the Leafs have to go down.

He's a 40 point guy (probably) making almost 5 million dollars a year forever. He is in no way worth what he makes. Maybe he will for a couple years of the deal and maybe he wont. But he's not worth whathe makes and cap teams especially dont see guys like him as value

Besides, it doesn’t make sense to trade for Willy when he is due when the rest of the core is due, and would likely walk anyway. If they have the space when he hits UFA they can make a run at him, but moving 2 prime assets for someone the Canes might not even be able to keep is just lunacy.

Danault is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes 700k more than KK per year on a ufa deal.

I don't think the Canes will ever trade Slavin.

You’re right. He isn’t worth 4.82 million. He is worth closer to 6.25 million. And the Canes have him for about 1.5mil cheaper than the going rate for long term. The contracts that were given out to guys like Cirelli, J. Staal, Danault, Lindholm (for KK’s current contract, Lindholm probably gets about 7mil because someone will overpay him), Karlsson, and even ROR all suggest the going rate for 2-way centers. That’s a range of cap hits from 4.8-7mil for defense first Centers. KK is younger than all of them and is starting to generate more offense even with a carousel of wingers. While he may never be the 1st line Center he was projected to be, he still has the potential to be a 50-60 point 2-way center, and hell, some people even think he has 70 point upside. A guy who is the entire package, who may very well receive Selke votes somewhere down the line, and all for 4.82mil.

So yes, you are 100% correct. KK isn’t worth 4.8mil. He’s worth a whole lot more.

Someone needs to go take a look at KK’s defensive metrics - When KK is 30 years old he will be making more than Danault as a UFA as well. I don’t get the argument here…

Had a recent run in there and it was quite...enlightening to say the least. You are 100% correct!

If I was the Leafs and knew that I could get Willy signed long-term, I'd absolutely keep him TBH. If not, maybe you try a Kawhi-type thing where you go for broke, but that's a deal to try and get a superstar, not downgrading the current lineup (Jarvis is going to be good, but it's win-now time for Toronto). If I can't somehow upgrade, I'd keep him, and see where we can get to.

Wow, ive seen some takes before but that certainly is one. Over six million for KK, thats hilarious

Their brains are broken on kotkaniemi. It can't be helped and the topic is unsalvagable.

Yeah, a guy getting 3c mins with 60% 5v5 zone starts has decent defensive metrics, that's not exactly world breaking.

Gotta justify that offersheet malarky i guess

Considering you are the source for countless bad takes, do you really have much room to be talking?

61% oz start and 6 primary assists btw

Dude, you literally just said a guy playing 3c in sheltered minutes who has a career high of 39 points is worth 6.25 aav. If you cant seehow unhinged that is then i dont know what to tell you

Easily worth 8x8 imo

what did i do wise guy