Strongly believe Dubas doesn't force a Murray trade and lose more assets.

I see Murray either on LTIR or playing in the Ahl or placed on recall waivers and a team takes him for free, with retention.

don't think so, Robertson has good potential but injury trouble is very worrying. Wiesblatt has a lower ceiling but good chance at being a pesky bottom 6 winger.

For one year of Murray, this is beyond ridiculous. Mrazek was traded for a drop of 13 spots in the draft. Murray is way better and has 1 year. He won't cost much at all to move.

That was my thinking but I didn't want to short change it.
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Well asking if it's enough on here is just a green light for leaf haters to say Murray will somehow cost 5 times what it took to dump Mrazek who absolutely is brutal and had 2 years of term. So short changing it is making an identical trade, which is an overpay by TO because the Mrazek trade set the market. Which means Murray who has only 1 year of term and actually played well, will cost less to move, or nothing at all.

Sharks aren’t moving prospects and picks for cap dumps, that’s dumb as hell

Agreed. I don't get why the sharks give up a prospect or picks (unless better picks are coming back).

I could see this trade happening if it was Robertson + Murray for Lorentz or something.

Dubas should try and convince O'Rielly to get less so he can resign Matthews and Nylander. He might do the same with Tavares

To be fair you guys took Murray and picks for Ottawa to dump him, it’s 1 year less of his contract but the issues and reason he was dealt from Ottawa still exist plus no team wants to “help” Toronto out of a cap crunch.
The offer isn’t bad, but the sharks already have 4 guys of similar caliber to Robertson who are smaller as well. This doesn’t fit the sharks mold or need but there could easily be another team that might bite, Philly if they move hart or Arizona maybe.

Gotta think if it's anything more than the Marazek trade the leafs just buy him out instead.

It's imposible to please everyone especially on here, either you over pay so others can't rip leaf fans ACGM'S to shreds but leaf fans do or you try to make one's you think are good but fans of other teams place a leaf tax on values because they hate us.

I get your reasoning and you make valid and fair points, but hypothetically San Jose could just buy out Murray and take whatever sweetener(s) for free essentially.

Also, can't see O'Rielly getting that much I think 3-3.5 and Gustavsson might get that on the open market but I don't think he gets that from the leafs. Just my opinion

Still the sharks would most likely balk, we have plenty of players on the team who already should be bought out lol.

Not saying they wouldn't and I'm a neutral party in this because though I'm a leafs fan first my second favorite team is San Jose and second favorite Canadian team is Calgary. I wasn't reffrring to this trade specifically just the idea in general.

No I get it but after 20 year of success and the effect of trading and signing Karlsson put this team in a bad position. It’s going to take some time to rebuild.
Taking Murray on isn’t a bad idea but there might be other teams with cap dumps who might offer more to take on their problems so unless the pick moves up to a 2nd I would just wait.

Yes Ottawa had to dump him because they needed the cap space and he was coming off two bad years in Ottawa. He has played well in TO when he wasn't hurt so that definitely rebuilt some value. Plus the goalie market this summer is terrible. Murray is going to be a high risk but decent addition. If he can stay healthy, he's going to be one of the better goalies available. If he's available. Who knows what happens in the playoffs.

You say he’s playing better. But his numbers are almost the same as they were last year and the biggest issue was health and that hasn’t changed. And you guys are only moving him for cap as well so isn’t this almost the same situation as last year? Only difference is the contact is now 1/2 as long. And there will be a few goalies available. But again sharks aren’t looking to rebound next year, not enough good players or cap space so taking that risk isn’t a good idea unless the return for dumping him is significant.

I agree I think other teams make more sense. I liked the trade but not so much the extension. I think he'll be an oiler next year though, what do you think? Normally I lean more towards the scorched earth approch but I think the sharks can retool because there's still good pieces there.

I'd just like to say I've enjoyed this conversation, it's nice to know there's more reasonable ppl on here who can have an actual conversation rather than the usual toxicity that's spewed on here.

Yo man
It's been a minute

Trading Karlsson most likely happens this off-season.
When Edmonton traded for Elkholm kinda felt that was the end to their interest but we will see.

With Karlsson gone it is pretty much scorched earth, but with a very good draft in 23 & 24 plus the job Mike Grier has done revamping the D and if we can find a goalie of the future sharks should be a better team on the rise by 24/25 and a playoff team by 25/26 but it all depends on how we spend the cap space we will have in 24/25 and how we draft combined with how the current prospects mature and move forward.

I kinda see it differently, I think bringing in Ekholm will make the Oilers persue Karlsson even more to put them together as their top pairing next year. I think Campbell's contract will be part of it rather than retention from the sharks Edmonton will have to pay more to dump his contract in the deal. Edmonton can't afford to have Campell on the roster next year after the way things went this year and with McDavid in his prime and trying to win now.

I think Hertl and Couture can still be kept to help transition the youngsters as they come up through the system. Same with Vlasic just to a much lesser extent. Also agree Grier has done a good job so far, I like how he thinks outside the box.

It has, how the heck have ya been? I stopped coming on here because of the usual toxicity that's spewed on here especially if you cheer for the leafs. I've been informed there's good leafs descusion between leaf fans on the forum section which I'm going to check out.

At first I Hated Griers moves! But to be fair I was use to 17 years of Doug Wilson so the transition at first was hard. But as I see the pieces he got start to evolve and the logic behind the moves you can’t help but think positive.
Thurn for a 3rd already looks like a steal 5 games in.
Petersen for Reedy was a fleecing so far and he could be the sharks next Barabanov.
I hated the Meier trade but it’s going to wind up being 2 1sts and Mukhamadulin 7 points in his first 8 AHL games might be the best sharks D prospect in a long long time.
Moving Burns was good for the player and showed the sharks and Grier are player friendly and will look out for their guys and that makes coming here more appealing to FA! Sturm was a good pickup and so was Benning.
Nutivaara and Lindblom have been stinkers but both had the talent to be good pieces, just never put it together and jury is out on Kunin but 3rd round picks only make the NHL about 15/20% of the time and only about 5-10% ever become impact players so the risk vs the reward is there.

As for Edmonton and Karlsson even with 3.5 mil retention and Campbell coming back it’s going to be very hard to fit Karlsson under the cap and still fill the holes on the team. It might happen but I will be curious to see how!

Numbers don't always tell the full story. He had some absolute gem performances where he allowed 4 goals against. Not his fault, bad luck, or the team was awful. His health has been problematic sure but he's a good goalie whether you want to admit it or not.

No I honestly Disagree, he had a few good years (cup wins) but haven’t been the same for a while. Very similar to Sharks old netminder Jones. Few very good years early on the just fell apart

But the numbers not always tell the full story that I whole heartily agree with. Especially goalies! The D in front of you the teams you play etc. you can’t judge a guy who plays behind Colorado’s D against another guy who’s playing behind San Joses D and judge them based on numbers.

But with Murray last year he was outplayed by Forsberg an average guy at best and this year Samsonov who Washington let go for nothing.
While I do like Samsonov’s play he’s not a world beater.