💯 he is and has always been one of my favorite ppl on here... they just don't make them like @OldNYIfan anymore. He's one hell of a human being and the world can certainly use more ppl like him.

It's nice of you guys to think of me like this. I'll try to live up to your expectations, but remember, I have a reputation as an occasionally snarly old curmudgeon to maintain.

What team can you name that:

A: Needs a goalie to complete a tandem
B: Has ~$4.7M in cap space this summer
C: Is OK devoting that cap space to a backup/1B-type goalie that's unlikely to make 40+ starts
D: Is also OK spending about $6M in real dollars for that $4.7M cap hit
E: Isn't on Murray's 10-team NTC

When you line up how many things that need to go right to get Murray off the Leafs' cap for 2023-24, I can't see how you expect it to be any less than the 3rd rounder OP has offered here. It cost Ottawa a 3rd & a 7th last summer to dump Murray's deal even after they retained 25%; I honestly don't see anything in Murray's numbers that show he's rebuilt much of any value (last season: 20 GP, .906 SV%, 3.05 GAA; this year: 26 GP, .903 SV%, 3.01 GAA.) 3rd-round value feels like the market rate for moving a contract and a player like him in the current league cap environment.

You and me both sir

If Murray is going to sit for the season, do you think he's going to be against waiving his NMC? This is Mrazek all over again. And before that Marleau. Every time TO has to make a move or sign someone, all you guys say the same thing. And every time you've been wrong.

It cost Toronto the equivalent of a late 2nd/early 3rd rounder (draft value difference between #25 & #38) to move Mrazek and bringing up Marleau is interesting because it cost them #13OA to dump his deal. Saying Murray is only going to cost a 3rd is light compared to the value Toronto gave up in those cap dumps. As far as his NTC, he's already flexed it once when Ottawa tried to trade him to Buffalo - so clearly he values having that control over his destination, and acting like he'll just take a plane ticket to play for a lottery team in Chicago is a leap I'm not gonna make.

I get that your gimmick around is being carrying the "anti-Leafs bias" chip on your shoulder but is there anything concrete you can point to that backs up your feelings on this? Because the cost of dumping unwanted contracts has been pretty well set over the past couple seasons, and I don't know why Matt Murray's deal isn't going to be subjected to that. He's a backup goalie making nearly $5M next year - what team is taking a guy like that without getting some sort of sweetener?

The Marleau signing was so bad, but it's Lou's MO right? Sign old guys to way too much term. Because vets!

Okay, got it, you don't have anything to back it up, thanks.

I have every time that the mob on here says one thing only to have it not come true as back up.

Everyone on here said Marleau couldn't be moved so Nylander had to be traded. Dubas moved Marleau. There was no way he could keep Matthews and Marner, signed them both. They had to trade Rielly because they couldn't afford him and he would cost 9+. Mrazek was going to cost a 1st to move and it cost 13 spots in the draft. Now it's impossible to move Murray.

No one's saying it's impossible to move Murray? Just that it's probably going to cost a 3rd rounder to shed $4.7M worth of cap hit - again, less value than what it cost to dump Mrazek.

You've earned your reputation and I get it ppl often mistake kindness for weakness. No explanations to live up to just do you. Also, I can be a cranky ass sometimes too lol.

Gonna be a hard pass from PHI. First of all, we don't need more 3rd and 4th liners. Second, we also do not need more LHD. Third, a late 1st doesn't add much value.

I have no problem using a 3rd to get him off the books. But people are here saying he's either unmovable or will cost more than Mrazek did.

Ah, that's where I was getting confused - thought you were directly responding to me and not the overall thoughts of the thread. Totally in agreement with you on the cost to move his deal not being anymore than the Mrazek deal cost to move.

Also, forgot to mention eff your boy Anze and the horse he rode in on he cost me free coffee for a week!