Adding to the young core

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Created by: LeonardoNoCardio

Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 30, 2023

Published: Apr. 30, 2023

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Would Devils even consider trading Holtz? I have no idea, but he's exactly the type a prospect Wings need. Kirby Dach was traded for pick No. 13 and No. 66. Dach plays center as well, So I think Holtz value is slightly less.

Trading for a young player like Holtz is riskier than trading for a proven player like Debrincat. But there are also positives about that: Holtz is 4 years younger and would fit well in with the young core: Edvinsson, Seider, Kasper, Raymond, Cossa...etc. Holtz is also still on his ELC for 2 more years- that gives us a lot of Cap flexibility instead of signing Debrincat for 8+million.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Veleno, Joseph		3	$1,750,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Hill, Adin	3	$3,750,000
Gudas, Radko	2	$2,750,000
Oesterle, Jordan	1	$1,350,000

Trades

DET

Holtz, Alexander

Additional Details:

Raymond-Holtz connection. Right handed sniper Wings are missing.

NJD

2023 1st round pick (NYI)
2023 2nd round pick (VAN)

Additional Details:

Pick #18 and #43.

Buyouts

Justin Abdelkader: $1,055,556

Retained Salary Transactions

Jakub Vrána: $2,625,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$64,376,389	$0	$6,107,500	$19,123,611

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kubalik, Dominik $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Larkin, Dylan $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NTC UFA - 8	Perron, David $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Raymond, Lucas $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) RW, LW RFA - 1	Copp, Andrew $5,625,000$5,625,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Holtz, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
Rasmussen, Michael $1,460,000$1,460,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Kasper, Marco $918,333$918,333 ($1,000,000$1M) C RFA - 3	Fabbri, Robby $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW UFA - 2
Söderblom, Elmer $878,333$878,333 ($57,500$58K) LW, C RFA - 2	Veleno, Joseph $1,750,000$1,750,000 C RFA - 1	Berggren, Jonatan $925,000$925,000 RW, LW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Walman, Jake $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Seider, Moritz $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Husso, Ville $4,750,000$4,750,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Määttä, Olli $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Chiarot, Ben $4,750,000$4,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Hill, Adin $3,750,000$3,750,000 G UFA - 2
Edvinsson, Simon $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 3	Gudas, Radko $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 3

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Zadina, Filip $1,100,000$1,100,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Oesterle, Jordan $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Czarnik, Austin $762,500$762,500 C, RW UFA - 1

Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:34 p.m.

MoreHitzSeider

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That's an interesting idea. Not sure either team does it. Raymond and Holtz were dynamite for the Swedes. I'd probably do it but change my mind. LOL

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.

sens65

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New Jersey probably takes that. When was the last time we saw a prospect with zero NHL experience get traded for a 1st and a 2nd?

Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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What happened to Holtz? His stats ain't look too good. Any Devils' fan with insight on why? Get depthed out and bad coaching in AHL? Not put in good situations? Just looking bad? If it's the last thing, I would rather keep the picks tbh.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:36 p.m.

pretzelcoatl

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I think the Devils give Holtz one more shot before they trade him for picks. As things currently stand this would have to be a draft day trade for someone we really wanted that fell to 18th, and that doesn't seem likely to me.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: sens65

New Jersey probably takes that. When was the last time we saw a prospect with zero NHL experience get traded for a 1st and a 2nd?

I mean good prospects do get traded (Looking at you Florida, took the Levi L)

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.

pretzelcoatl

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

He torched the AHL last year, but got mismanaged by Ruff this season and was injured immediately after getting sent back down for good. I know there's a lot of hate for him but he's the same player who was point per game in the AHL at 19. He has top six sniper/playmaker upside and there's no reason to believe he's not an NHLer.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: pretzelcoatl

Ah so mismanagement. We know a lot about that here (Ben Simon, former GRG coach). If he shows form (which I don't doubt he won't) and NJD would be into this (I don't think they would; they'd probably prefer an NHL ready prospect, even if depth), I'd be happy with this.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:51 p.m.

sens65

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

I mean good prospects do get traded (Looking at you Florida, took the Levi L)

As part of bigger trades for established players, yes. Not in a separate trade for picks. The only one I can think of is Adam Fox for two 2nds, but that was because he refused to sign with his team.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:55 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: sens65

As part of bigger trades for established players, yes. Not in a separate trade for picks. The only one I can think of is Adam Fox for two 2nds, but that was because he refused to sign with his team.

Yeah true true. Can't think of many.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.

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Quoting: pretzelcoatl

Well Holtz wouldn't have that problem in Detroit. We still have fans that think Zadina and Veleno are more than mediocre bottom 6 forwards.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.

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Jfstompers

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Id rather use the picks on a more known commodity than another prospect.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.

#12

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Everyone expected to get to the “play the kids” part of the season and it never came.

Last year, they kept him down in AHL to preserve his slide. This year, the intention was to work him into lineup, but other guys were playing well, and wingers stayed generally healthy, so he didn’t get regular time. We probably waited a bit long to send him back to Utica. It’s just one of those things that happens when a team plays better than expected.

He is doing fine in Utica. Here’s his first point from last night.

Early lead for the good guys after a great pass + finish 🚨 https://t.co/3WFziJpf8G pic.twitter.com/xOCid6Jby4
— x - Utica Comets (@UticaComets) April 29, 2023

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

I mean good prospects do get traded (Looking at you Florida, took the Levi L)

To be fair, at the time of the Reinhart trade, no one had any idea Levi would be that good. He had hardly played at all.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.

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Quoting: sens65

As part of bigger trades for established players, yes. Not in a separate trade for picks. The only one I can think of is Adam Fox for two 2nds, but that was because he refused to sign with his team.

For 1st rounders….
Nils Lundqvist
David Rundblad
Griffin Reinhart
…there have been a few

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.

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Holtz is still going to be an elite goal scorer in all likelihood. No reason for the Devils to trade an ELC rookie for picks, especially when they still have many solid prospects in the pipeline

Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

I mean good prospects do get traded (Looking at you Florida, took the Levi L)

At the time of the trade, Levi had only shown good potential in one WJC tourney. He didn't even play in the CHL. And he wasn't traded for picks, he was part of a deal for Florida to get a ppg impactful player.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.

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LeonardoNoCardio

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Quoting: pretzelcoatl

Or use these picks to acquire Debrincat

. Maybe a big 3-way trade between Devils, Red Wings and Senators applaud

Apr. 30, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.

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Quoting: Skyraider112

Holtz is still going to be an elite goal scorer in all likelihood. No reason for the Devils to trade an ELC rookie for picks, especially when they still have many solid prospects in the pipeline

At the time of the trade, Levi had only shown good potential in one WJC tourney. He didn't even play in the CHL. And he wasn't traded for picks, he was part of a deal for Florida to get a ppg impactful player.

Doesn't mean Devils have to use these picks. Trade them for a player who can make a big impact right away.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Skyraider112

"Good" is an understatement. Analytically, he is the best goaltender in U20 WJC history - leads both SV% and GAA among starters in the tournament's history. I'm aware that a great team can help to that, but his performance was insane and his numbers do in fact back that up. Watched all of the Canadian games that tournament.

I'm aware they had Spencer Knight, who, at that time, looked to be better. But man, his performance was so impressive that if I were the GM, would've tried my damndest to keep him.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 5:21 p.m.

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Quoting: LeonardoNoCardio

Or use these picks to acquire Debrincat

. Maybe a big 3-way trade between Devils, Red Wings and Senators applaud

While theoretically DeBrincat is possible, in practice we would have to get rid of Palat to make it work

Apr. 30, 2023 at 5:42 p.m.

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LeonardoNoCardio

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Quoting: pretzelcoatl

While theoretically DeBrincat is possible, in practice we would have to get rid of Palat to make it work

I am making a 3-way trade where Palat is included atm LOL. Does Palat have value with that contract?

Apr. 30, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.

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pretzelcoatl

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Quoting: LeonardoNoCardio

I am making a 3-way trade where Palat is included atm LOL. Does Palat have value with that contract?

I think minimal but still positive value as long as a team is willing to take him, but I also don't know if Fitz would be willing to send him. It's a bad look for him as a GM, and since he signed the guy I'd expect he'd want to keep Palat around.

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May 1, 2023 at 11:46 a.m.

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

That's true but it's also an extremely small sample size playing against players who are all still teenagers. Also the team in front of him was one of the most stacked ever. I see your point but I think the hockey world tempered their reaction with the fact that it was only over 7 games that he did that.

Quoting: LeonardoNoCardio

Doesn't mean Devils have to use these picks. Trade them for a player who can make a big impact right away.

Such as? Do you have anyone in mind?

May 1, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.

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Quoting: Skyraider112

Small sample size or not; it is so damn impressive. I felt as if he was just a throw-in to Florida.

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