stupid overpay on both the flyers and devils trade

McLeod is a role player, but a pretty solid one. Wouldn’t be as easy to replace him as many think. But if Graves and Severson both leave, we will need to add a dman.

Murray has $8M in actual salary for next year, highly doubt revenue strapped Arizona, or, really any team would take on that awful contract.

Toronto is likely stuck with it, unless they throw a 1st rd pick with him.

bud I didn't know their value. Id rather overpay on ACGM to not get people upset. What would make it work then?

yikes, 24 year old with a career best 38 point season and you're worried that you might not be giving up enough for him with THAT offer? What a hilarious over pay to Philly.
And that Devil's trade isnt much better, Mcleod is bad and not worth 1/10th of that

I just really wanted to know the value on the NJD and Philly trade and didn't really think abt that tbh.

bud I didn't know their value. Id rather overpay on ACGM to not get people upset. What would make it work then?

there's a difference between an over pay and this. This is spending 200$ on a single banana.
24 year old 3rd liners and 25 year old 4th liners are not worth anything significant, at all

Thats why I overpaid according to all these others guys but I think McLeod is very good defensively and really like his role in play during the playoffs. I think he's underrated. Would all consider that if both of them leave?

Theres more to that tho. McLeod is a very good role player and a good defensive player that has played solid. Thats the type of player I was trying to get for this. I think your underestimating his value. what would be a fair trade in your eyes?

Don’t worry about it. It’s not a bad idea at all.

I think for Devils, it would be a scenario where both Graves and Severson depart, but we extend Haula for 3C and add someone for 4C. Right now, I think Haula is someone they could keep. Graves is most likely gone. Severson is really hard decision that will probably depend his next contract. He wants to stay, but also wants max term (7-8 years).

If all those line up, a McLeod-for-Dman deal seems possible.

except there isnt. 'good' 4th liners are not worth very much at all. Good defensively and 'solid' ones especially. That's exactly what ZAR is and do you think any team would give up a good prospect and a very good defensive defender for him?
bottom 6 players who do not score are dirt cheap, always have been, always will be.

these 2 players have never really crossed my mind so I've never put thought into it, but i can assure you its way too much for both. what has cates done to warrant that return (or even slightly less than that return) or get 3.5m

and why does a 4th line center fetch a top 4dman and a young winger

Cheers bud!

I think from your point of view, If I was a devils fan Id focus on getting a shutdown man for Luke Hughes and that was my thought process and think Severson isn't worth that big contract and yes Brodie has only 1yr left but don't get stuck in a long term contract that could be sketchy to give 7-8 yrs to Severson. Next years FA is supposed to be better to so can always upgrade then.

Like I said Id rather overpay on here and throw in nicky rob just to determine the value. I also thought a swap 1v1 is more fair too. I just think him O'Rielly and Jarnkrok would be a very good line next year. We save money and get younger who basically is the same player.

Id rather overpay on ACGM to not get people upset. What would make it work then? And also, I also thought a swap 1v1 is more fair to and just threw in Nicky rob just to determine the value. I just think him O'Rielly and Jarnkrok would be a very good line next year. We save money and get younger who basically is the same player(Brodie and Soucy)

but that's just it, he's not even close to being worth a 1v1 swap. That is like saying you'd 1v1 swap a nickle for a 20. Mcleod wouldnt be on a line with ROR or Jarnkrok because he's not even close to being as good as they are. He's a Lafferty replacement at best and should never be played higher than the 4th line.

I respect your opinion. I like my opinion also.

leafs wouldnt do brodie for mcleod 1 for 1 though

I really like McLeod and he is a big part of our possession and transition game. He is our only solid right handed center (Lazar is there as well, but McLeod is nice). I'd be an idiot if I turned down the offer because it is a very good offer. I have had my eye on Nick Robertson for quite a while, especially when the Severson or Graves to TOR rumours were occuring.

The truth is the Devils are going to need a stop gap solution to fill Graves or Seversons spot and not rush Nemec. Jersey is known for being patient with our prospects and how we develop them.

Edit: Brodie is a good player. Unless your solution is the FA Market to replace him, I do not know why you would give up on him.

Neat, but if you're gonna ask things like "what is the value? I have no idea!" And then immediately ignore people who try and tell you exactly that, then maybe you should just stick with "this is good value" or something

Thank you for a more in depth review abt him. I really appreciate your opinion and knowing that Brods for McLeod was an overpay for the Leafs. So Nicky Rob for McLeod is more even value in your eyes if it was to every happen? Forget if yall had defensive needs etc. Just strictly 1v1?

no, because Robertson is a dirt cheap potential top 6 scoring winger and the leafs have more than enough 4th liners in the system that are just as effective and significantly more cost effective than McLeod, you can also sign like one of a dozen guys in the summer for around a million who would be way better value than paying almost 3 mill aav for Mcleod.
The over pay for him was simply the start, the leafs also have no need for a player like him, none at all

A short term dman is fine since we have Walsh and Nemec waiting in Utica.

Siegenthaler - Hamilton
Hughes - Marino
Bahl - Walsh

…is probably our default to open next season if no one is added. But it’s a lot of youth on blueline for a playoff team. So adding a rental until Nemec arrives in 2024/25 would not be the worst thing.

Siegenthaler - Hamilton
Hughes - Marino
Bahl - Nemec

…for the future

I follow another Leafs ACGM. His profile name is Nathaniel and he is a really insightful profile with great and in depth takes. He has been talking about a Sharangovich move to the Leafs and I think that makes a lot of sense for both teams. Sharangovich on a line with ROR (and Acciari) would be lethal because of their two way play and that he is an above averager finisher capable of 20+ goals in the 2M range. He would be in his prime and help the Leafs in their quest for the cup right now.