Is Jeff Carter taking a time machine back to 2014?

Kings need cap space, not cap dumps.

Why the Guentzel trade? They are about the same skill wise. Guentzel is older but would be cheaper to resign.

Also, why sign Raanta and bury DeSmith? You could use that 2MM somewhere else.





Jeff Carter is a perfectly fine 4th line Center. He has lost a step but he scores 10+ goals and wins faceoffs at a top 5 NHL rate. For 1.5MM he is also adequately paid.

Lizotte and Kupari are already serving that role, with Byfield wanting to take a stab. The Kings have limited cap space and need to reup Vilardi, Gavrikov, and Korpisalo. So I repeat. The Kings need cap space not cap dumps.

I'm not saying it should be LA. I'm saying that Carter at 1.5MM is not a cap dump.

The post above has him being traded with 50% retention and a pick, that is literally the definition of a cap dump. I'd argue with the OP, not me.

I didn't think we were arguing. More talking. My post did include some quotes but it was for OP as well.

Nylander is better than Guentzel and McCabe is better than Rutta. Zero chance TO would have any interest in this trade.

TO would have no interest in this. Could perhaps have interest in Guentzel as a deadline pickup but that's it.

Nylander and Guentzel are fairly close. Nylander is younger but will cost more, so pick your poison.

McCabe is better than Rutta but that is extremely faint praise.

I think OP is making up the difference by trading down from 14 to 32.

I would prefer keeping Guentzel. If I was trading with Tor and putting up the 14 overall, I would want Marner. More would be needed than 14 but still.

Wrong on all accounts. Nylander is 2 years younger and is better. McCabe is also much better than Rutta. You certainly aren't getting either Nylander or Marner by offering the 14th overall pick and the main piece. This is just insulting

Guentzel has better numbers without much power play production but Nylander makes more sense for the leafs bc he’s younger and fits their timeline better
The proposed trade does not make sense for either side and favors the pens bc McCabe is rlly solid and the trading up I don’t think justifies the difference

All numbers 5v5
Player A:
Expected Goals: 19.7
Hits: 75
Shooting %: 10.7
Penalty Minutes Drawn: 54
Corsi: 54%
Created xgoals: 18.8

Player B
Expected Goals: 20.7
Hits: 17
Shooting %: 10.8
Penalty Minutes Drawn: 32
Corsi: 53%
Created xgoals: 22.2

Which one is better?

Nylander

I would agree witht that but to say Nylander is objectively better is a false statement. Subjectivity perhaps.

Which one is Nylander?

By what metrics are you looking at?

Guentzel is definitely a good player but I am taking Nylander because I think he's legit a game breaker that doesn't need anyone to thrive. Yeah he benefits from playing with great players but so does Guentzel. But man seeing Nylander dominate with David Kampf and Sam Lafferty, (he didn't score with them but they owned the puck and had a pile of chances when played together) and it's Nylander that makes everyone else so dangerous. I just don't see Guentzel being as impactful away from other stars. And he's younger. That's a huge deal.

I can see your opinion and respect it. But it is not supported by objective facts. Guentzel was dominate when Crosby was hurt. His stats say he is a good player and equivalent to Nylander.

To say Nylander is better because "I say so" is not a good argument.

Nylander line mates and minutes:
383 with Matthews and Bunting
81 with Kerfoot and Tavares
73 with Bunting and Tavares
55 with Robertson and Tavares
42 with ORiley and Tavares
38 with Jarnkrok and Tavares
36 with Jarnkrok and Kerfoot
34 with Malgin and Tavares
33 with Marner and Tavares
33 with Marner and Matthews
23 with Matthews and Tavares
13 with ORiley and Knies
13 with Kerfoot and Matthews
11 with Bunting and Kerfoot
10 with Lafferty and McMann

So he mostly played with Matthews and Tavares. That doesn't support your claim that he is impactful away from stars. As far as I can see he played maybe 30 minutes all season away from stars.

Edit: For clarification, that list has a min of 10 min played. So it is possible Nylander played with Kampf but it was less than 10 min all season.

In the end the age difference would be all that matters.

Can you admit that Guentzel and Nylander, while different players, are about the same in performance?

Your original posts simply state Nylander is better. When shown statistical evidence you maintained your view while providing no data.

You then rationalized your statement with "the eye test" and said Nylander makes worse players better. This was disproven as he played less than 4% of his ice time with lesser players.

Now you say age is all that matters.

I never disputed their age difference but it is 2 years, not 10 years. Also, I consistently argued from a standpoint of production now, not in a few years.

It's totally fine if you want to maintain your view that Nylander is better but can you admit, based on the preponderance of evidence, that they are extremely similar in skill and performance?

I don't care man, I wouldn't make the trade and don't care about who's better or by how much.

I would make the trade either. I think Guentzel would come cheaper and leave more cap flexibility.

I hope you have a good day. Sincerely I do.

Right back at you sir. Have a great weekend

I agree Guentzel is the better player. I’m just taking this debate and phrasing it in a way that both sides can agree with…