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Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Now What?

Jun. 9, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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TSN's Mike Johnson predicted Auston Matthews' next deal on TSN1050's OverDrive on Thursday. He thinks it will either be 3 years, $40M ($13.34M AAV) or 5 years, $67.5M ($13.5M AAV). Doesn't think 8 years will even be considered by Matthews at this point.

Thoughts?


1st off, nice to see you again!

2nd, I think a 5-6 year deal is most likely. If it's a 3 year deal, I will be very disappointed
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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I am suddenly all in on trading up to get Moore





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Oliver Moore is stuck behind the NTDP loaded-up top line in DY. Will be stuck behind Cooley as a freshman. Some team is gonna get a guy with just OK scoring who turns into Dylan Larkin


I think I finally found a Nylander trade I can get behind.

Nylander + 28 to VAN

Garland + 11 to TOR

Draft Moore (Extremely fast, hardworking 2-way centre)
Jun. 9, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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He was arguably the worst dman in the league last year.

You cannot give him ice and also try to win


Yea true its up to them but hey that deal got them Gaudreau
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:06 p.m.
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I am suddenly all in on trading up to get Moore







I think I finally found a Nylander trade I can get behind.

Nylander + 28 to VAN

Garland + 11 to TOR

Draft Moore (Extremely fast, hardworking 2-way centre)


Highly doubt he'd be available at 11

I really like Brindley who I could easily see being available at 28 and I can't see somebody who is that far ahead of him (at least imo) being there at 11, so I wouldn't be a fan of that deal.
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:07 p.m.
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Highly doubt he'd be available at 11


11 is the highest he has been ranked by Bob
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
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If he wants term I want to do it in a way where if he starts to suck u can burry the deal and not have a cap punishment 1.1 mill x 4 years. And give him the M-NTC

As I know the sample but the guy earned it and let him end his career where it all started for him
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:11 p.m.
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11 is the highest he has been ranked by Bob


All the same, I don't see it.

He's been ranked higher by other outlets, and lower as well tbf, but personally I'd be surprised if he was still there
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:31 p.m.
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All the same, I don't see it.

He's been ranked higher by other outlets, and lower as well tbf, but personally I'd be surprised if he was still there


I'll bet he drops to about 11-15 ish. If something happens maybe even 15-20
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
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I am suddenly all in on trading up to get Moore







I think I finally found a Nylander trade I can get behind.

Nylander + 28 to VAN

Garland + 11 to TOR

Draft Moore (Extremely fast, hardworking 2-way centre)


I love Oliver Moore. Such a fantastic skater, but why are we giving up Pick 28 here?

To VAN: Nylander, NYI 3rd
To TOR: Garland, 11OA, 2024 1st
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.
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I'll bet he drops to about 11-15 ish. If something happens maybe even 15-20


Guess we'll see
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:48 p.m.
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Neither

Werenski-Severson
Provorov-Peeke
Blankenberg-Boqvist

Gudbranson and Boqvist can rotate


Looks like it's Peeke on the move most likely
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.
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I love Oliver Moore. Such a fantastic skater, but why are we giving up Pick 28 here?

To VAN: Nylander, NYI 3rd
To TOR: Garland, 11OA, 2024 1st


Yeah I can see us pulling more value than I listed, but Willie is a rental so he won't carry full value
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.
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Name that's kind of flown under my radar: Tanner Molendyk.

My attention is usually drawn to the "big swing" types, but I really feel like he'd just be real solid pick. Seems like a high floor guy with a decent ceiling as well.
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 7:07 p.m.
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Name that's kind of flown under my radar: Tanner Molendyk.

My attention is usually drawn to the "big swing" types, but I really feel like he'd just be real solid pick. Seems like a high floor guy with a decent ceiling as well.


Haven't read on the guy, but generally speaking guys who get tagged with the "high floor" or "safe" picks tend to massively underperform their draft slot
Jun. 9, 2023 at 7:30 p.m.
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Looks like it's Peeke on the move most likely


If your going off Serevalli always go with a pinch of salt

As if we look logically the guy who makes the most sense rn is Boqvist

As Werenski will be on PP1 and Severson PP2 so Boqvist whose an offensive D got no spot

Now if Peeke is available if im Treeliving I call about him and try to swing a deal for him and Texier
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 7:31 p.m.
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Haven't read on the guy, but generally speaking guys who get tagged with the "high floor" or "safe" picks tend to massively underperform their draft slot


I know, which is why he's flown under my radar so far. Kinda just overlooked him as that archetype, but watching some of his video, I really don't mind what I see at all.

Kinda reminds me Sandin (who was also labelled a safe pick) in the sense that you watch him play and its clear that that's an NHL player in waiting, but there's also that intriguing extra bit in there that could allow him to be more. There are still guys I'd hope are there at 28 that I'd take over him, but I think some team in the 25-40 range is gonna be making just a really solid pick with him.

Here's a good little pack of what he does well.



Jun. 9, 2023 at 7:33 p.m.
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I know, which is why he's flown under my radar so far. Kinda just overlooked him as that archetype, but watching some of his video, I really don't mind what I see at all.

Kinda reminds me Sandin (who was also labelled a safe pick) in the sense that you watch him play and its clear that that's an NHL player in waiting, but there's also that intriguing extra bit in there that could allow him to be more. There are still guys I'd hope are there at 28 that I'd take over him, but I think some team in the 25-40 range is gonna be making just a really solid pick with him.

Here's a good little pack of what he does well.





If Leafs trade down they should be eying either this guy, Theo Lindstein, or Cameron Allen

Lindstein is very interesting as people often overlook him for Sandin but from what I have heard very good 2-way D

Cameron Allen was projected to be a high first this year than injuries caught up and he didnt have a great season so hes expected to be a mid 2nd.
Jun. 9, 2023 at 7:34 p.m.
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Going to miss Nick's coverage of the Marlies
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 9:09 p.m.
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I wonder if bringing in Doan is part of a plan to not only get Matthews on a longer extension but to add Keller to

As with that vote for the arena not ending well Keller's dad's convinced his sons gone
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 10:01 p.m.
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I wonder if bringing in Doan is part of a plan to not only get Matthews on a longer extension but to add Keller to

As with that vote for the arena not ending well Keller's dad's convinced his sons gone


I dont think the Leafs have the assets to get Keller, plus his Dad said he got hacked
Jun. 9, 2023 at 10:07 p.m.
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Alternative to my nylander trade from earlier.

Liljegren + 28 for Garland + 11. Maybe we take another mid tier dump from VAN too.

Because if we sign Schenn, lily will be wasted on the 3rd pair amd we have Timmins with a contract ready to go, so leverage that value to grab 11th overall and our future 2C in Moore
Jun. 9, 2023 at 10:37 p.m.
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I dont think the Leafs have the assets to get Keller, plus his Dad said he got hacked


Oh no they do have the assets people just wont like it
Jun. 9, 2023 at 10:52 p.m.
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Alternative to my nylander trade from earlier.

Liljegren + 28 for Garland + 11. Maybe we take another mid tier dump from VAN too.

Because if we sign Schenn, lily will be wasted on the 3rd pair amd we have Timmins with a contract ready to go, so leverage that value to grab 11th overall and our future 2C in Moore


And if Reinbacker gets taken by MTL at 5, trade Lily + 28 to Arizona for 12th overall - again draft Moore
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 10:57 p.m.
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And if Reinbacker gets taken by MTL at 5, trade Lily + 28 to Arizona for 12th overall - again draft Moore


I like the idea of Liljegren trade, I think Timmins is worth taking a swing on
Jun. 9, 2023 at 10:59 p.m.
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I like the idea of Liljegren trade, I think Timmins is worth taking a swing on


Its not even like I have some huge belief in Timmins, its just that (Like Sandin) Liljegren is positioned to be wasted on a 3rd pair. Thats just wasted value
 
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