Marner scored 97 and 99 points the last two years. Is a selke candidate, the back to back 1st team right wing and is paid nearly 3 million less than his aav for the next 2 years.

This is an embarrassing offer

I'm not even bothering with the rest

This is the first somewhat reasonable Marner offer I have seen in over a week. I feel Jenner could be replaced with a prospect like a Ceulemans, though I doubt CBJ do this because they need a Center not a winger.

XD

He's a terrific player, but if you are right and he's worth so much more than this, you should certainly hold onto a player like that!

You're right. Teams never trade good players. It's simply never happened! God you Habs fans are so smart

Canucks don’t have the cap space for Brodie, and Marner should get a better return

He's not at the ideal time in his contract to be traded. He cannot be re-signed and teams do not have any guarantees that he sticks around. Regardless of how you see things, a team like Columbus who has had players walk out on the team mid-shift, has to consider this.

There are also not many teams who can take on 11.6M in salary without sending 11.6M back and that's another concern.

Me being a Habs fan has nothing to do with it. He's simply not worth 4+ first round picks with his current contract status.

Yeah man. Teams really hate having to make space for the back to back best winger in the league who can literally do it all. Such a hassle

Dallas would likely laugh that offer into the sunset for years.

It is what it is. He will be the last of the 3 amigos to be traded, and it's because of the fact that a player cannot negotiate a new deal if he is not in the last year of his deal.

BTW - not that you took the time to do any research before making assumptions about me - but I root for the Leafs in the post season and want ANY Canadian team to bring back a cup almost as much as I want my Habs to win.

I do not think I have ever posted anything that to make anyone feel differently, other than saying the returns asked for Marner over the past week are ludicrous.

This is enough to clown on you for

Alrighty then! You are of course right. Every other GM in the league is a moron who is unaware of the realities of the cap or unrestricted free agency.

An appeal to authority is wrong in the best of cases. In the NHL its laughable
Interesting also, that you simply ascribe your position as the one held by the GM's - despite no evidence

Who else but a GM could accept a Marner trade for 4 x 1st round picks worth of value with 2 years left at 11.6M and no guarantees of team control beyond that?!

I am saying they would all be immediately fired for making a deal like that

And I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about. Whether it be cap, asset value, or control factors.
And thats the nice way of putting it. If I said what I really think, CapFriendly would ban me

I'll tell you what. The day Marner is traded for the kind of return fans of the Leafs think he is worth, I will come back and find this post and tell you how right you were!

Agreeed I think they should hold onto him

If the Canucks could get enough cap space for TJ Brodie I can't think of a reason they wouldn't accept that, but that's a big if

You seem to think a depth forward, a struggling 23 year old and a late 1st is a fine offer.
I don't know if he will be moved, but I guarantee he gets more. Like WAY more

I say replace Jenner with Ceulemans who I think is worth about a 10-20 pick.

But yeah I think Boquist, Ceulemans, and a 1st gets it done.

Lmao. To all of that

Not to mention 9M in cap relief 2 years in a row...

The amount of Marner to CBJ trades in the last week that include 2 or more of KJ, Jiricek, 3rd Ovr, or even Werenski is probably higher than all the CBJ ACGMs made in the past 2 months. Acting as though saying these forums have been filled with awful Marner deals is "clownable" is just willful ignorance.

A player can be both extremely good, elite, whatever and still have their trade value not reflect that. If Marner was getting 7, 8, maybe even 9 a year, there'd be much more interest, but it's just a huge ask to both find a team that can afford the 11 mil cap hit, has enough to send back that Toronto would take a deal, and is willing to accept the huge risk that it's probably just a 2 year rental.

Marner is simply never going to make sense for CBJ unless Jarmo is just making a desperate attempt to save his job while prospects mature. Not impossible he's motivated to do that, but even if that's the case there's so many better ways to achieve that goal without jeopardizing the teams long term future.

CBJ would be lucky to make playoffs this year with Marner and even next year may be 50/50 given the uncertainty of how prospects develop and the absurdity of the eastern conference playoff picture. A coin flip chance of making the playoffs for a few years isn't enough to entice a team to blow up one of the best prospect pools in the league like so many other ACGMs are suggesting with their Marner trades.

I cannot stress enough that Marner is voted the back to back best RW in the league, and is a selke candidate.
He gets paid signifigantly less than his hit and has multiple years of term. His trade value is colossal

Any trade starts with 2 of: 3rd ovr, KJ or DJ before you add other smaller pieces.

I'm sorry you don't understand that

I'm sorry that you don't understand how counterintuitive it'd be for a rebuilding team to just tel themselves "hey, **** it. I know we had this plan to build up our prospect pool, but now that it's one of the best in the league, let's ruin it to trade for a guy that'll be here 2 years, before the rest of our team is good, and MAYBE we can make playoffs before he dips out to a bigger market.

For CBJ, it literally does not matter how good he is, he's not gonna push them over the edge, hell, even McDavid wouldn't make them a contender. I can't tell if you simply don't understand this or if you're just purposely being obtuse so you can argue with people on CapFriendly forums 😂

And considering a team that would care about money like CBJ just aren't a fit for other reasons, the fact his salary is lower than his cap his is almost irrelevant. Any team trading for him is trying to contend and BY FAR the biggest challenge would be to find a way to make the money work since most teams in that situation are already pushing the cap as is. Cap hit is always gonna be 50x as important when trading a player on a big contract cause the cap is what actually binds teams. The billionaire owner isn't going to care if a guy is due 2 mil extra than the cap hit when their team is trying to win. I genuinely cannot tell if you just don't understand this.