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I think this maybe could work

Created by: Anus_McLeod
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: May 25, 2023
Published: May 25, 2023
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Yeah I know about the core 4 stays comments, but I'm taking it with a grain of salt. I can pretty much guarantee that Toronto is at least listening on Marner and Nylander.

Anyway, I have seen a lot of Nylander to Carolina trades, and also a ton of Leafs/Avs trades, which imo don't make sense for Colorado, so I figured I'd try and put them together into something that might work for everyone.

Here, the Leafs get a great defenseman in Toews, Carolina gets Nylander without disturbing their D, and Colorado gets a young forward to supplement their depth for the long haul. Everyone loses something they don't want to lose, but gains something that will help their team. Note that I'm assuming both Toews and Nylander sign extensions in their new destinations.

I have the Canes adding a bit, since Necas (who is obviously no slouch) is not quite as good as Toews or Nylander.

I might be off base, but it seemed like a decent enough idea to post and fish for feedback. If it sucks, please make sure your comments are as rude as humanly possible so as to expose my lack of knowledge and make me feel stupid, lol.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$6,500,000
2$800,000
2$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
5$4,000,000
1$2,250,000
1$800,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Mantha, Anthony
1$2,850,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Nylander, William
TOR
  1. Toews, Devon
2.
COL
  1. Necas, Martin
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Ranta, Sampo [RFA Rights]
3.
COL
  1. 2024 5th round pick (ANA)
Additional Details:
Mantha, Anthony ($2,850,000 retained)
ANA
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Basically asking Anaheim to be a third party and retain on Mantha. Doesn't have to be the ducks, but alphabetical order dictates it here.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$83,497,500$637,500$57,500$2,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Mantha, Anthony
$2,850,000$2,850,000
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MacKinnon, Nathan
$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
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Nichushkin, Valeri
$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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Lehkonen, Artturi
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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Necas, Martin
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
RFA - 1
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Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Wood, Miles
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LW
UFA - 6
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Newhook, Alex
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, LW
RFA - 4
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Waivers ExemptFoudy, Jean-Luc
$847,500$847,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
C
RFA - 2
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Cogliano, Andrew
$800,000$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Meyers, Ben
$800,000$800,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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O'Connor, Logan
$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Byram, Bowen
$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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Makar, Cale
$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
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Georgiev, Alexandar
$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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Manson, Josh
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Graves, Ryan
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 6
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Waivers ExemptMalinski, Sam
$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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MacDermid, Kurtis
$987,500$987,500
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
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Landeskog, Gabriel
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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Johnson, Erik
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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May 25, 2023 at 9:13 a.m.
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I find the value here to be fine. Maybe a bit of fine tuning on each end, and consideration of short and long-term salary cap stuff, but everybody has that.

I'm just not sure Toews really fills Toronto's biggest need. They're trading a PPG forward when they need to be adding supplementary offence, not taking it away. As much as the value is fine, I'm not sure the fit is excellent.
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May 25, 2023 at 9:14 a.m.
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No leafs are not moving Nylander for that
May 25, 2023 at 9:56 a.m.
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Necas has more value than Nylander, easy pass
May 25, 2023 at 10:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Necas has more value than Nylander, easy pass


lol you think 28 goal, 71 point forward has more value than 40 goal, 87 point forward? ESPECIALLY in this scenario where OP says all players sign new deals.

Hilarious.
May 25, 2023 at 10:14 a.m.
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lol you think 28 goal, 71 point forward has more value than 40 goal, 87 point forward? ESPECIALLY in this scenario where OP says all players sign new deals.

Hilarious.


Necas makes half of what Nylander does, it 3 years younger, and plays center. Not to mention, Necas hits the highest top speed of any player in the NHL annually, he's done it for the last 3 years. You think all of that isn't worth 16 points? Hilarious
May 25, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
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Not sure why they Avs would move Toews for Nylander, top pairing defenseman are harder to find then top line wingers. I get that there are subsequent moves to the deal but it would have to be a three way trade for this to work and if thats the case the leafs would need to add something small, a low end prospect for alate pick something along those lines.
May 25, 2023 at 10:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Will27
Not sure why they Avs would move Toews for Nylander, top pairing defenseman are harder to find then top line wingers. I get that there are subsequent moves to the deal but it would have to be a three way trade for this to work and if thats the case the leafs would need to add something small, a low end prospect for alate pick something along those lines.


It is a three way trade. Guess I didn't say that anywhere, but that was the intent.

Avs end up with Necas and a 2nd, which to me is a reasonable return if they can't re-sign Toews. Obviously we see that everyone likes their guy, which is expected, but I think all teams get more balanced here.
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May 25, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Necas makes half of what Nylander does, it 3 years younger, and plays center. Not to mention, Necas hits the highest top speed of any player in the NHL annually, he's done it for the last 3 years. You think all of that isn't worth 16 points? Hilarious


"hits the highest top speed of any player in the NHL annually" hahaha
May 25, 2023 at 11:08 a.m.
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that canes fan should be on everyone's ignore list. his hyperbole isnt worth responding too.

It really comes down to what will Nylander re-sign for? If its reasonable, the Canes would do it. I have a feeling he is going to want a lot and the Canes will have a hard time fitting it in long term.
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May 25, 2023 at 11:16 a.m.
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Quoting: GladeBang12
"hits the highest top speed of any player in the NHL annually" hahaha


https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1542245276961890304

Yes, he does
May 25, 2023 at 11:22 a.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1542245276961890304

Yes, he does


I'm sure he does. It's just funny that you would use that as an argument for how valuable a player is. I'm not trying to say speed isn't important; it just doesn't mean anything when it's presented in that context.
May 25, 2023 at 11:25 a.m.
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I'm sure he does. It's just funny that you would use that as an argument for how valuable a player is. I'm not trying to say speed isn't important; it just doesn't mean anything when it's presented in that context.


The entire point of the league is to be fast. It's what makes the Canes so consistent, they're one of the best skating teams in the NHL. It's why youthful teams are fun to watch, they run around like rabbits. Speedy wingers (Duclair, Athanasiou, etc) are important because they allow you to pressure bad pinches. It's something the Canes did well all season. That has value. Very few players have that gamebreaking speed. He's one of the few players that will beat McDavid or MacKinnon or Larkin in a footrace....
May 25, 2023 at 11:50 a.m.
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No leafs are not moving Nylander for that


Nah; you're overvaluing an expiring UFA wing: two-way, top-pair D>almost any wing. He puts up a lot of points, sure, but he doesn't play a premium position, isn't known as a strong two-way player and is going to ask for a ton of money and term on his next deal. If anything, Avs should ask for a bit more from TO in this scenario. Leafs could keep him as an own rental but they can't afford to re-sign him and this is a very good offseason return. Now, TO could easily say that they need better supplementary scoring so this doesn't help but the value is solid.
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May 25, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.
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I actually kind of like this one for the Avs and, for that matter, the Canes in that they seem to need more finishers but I'm not sure Toronto is keen on adding Toews although I do think it would help them a lot.
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May 25, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
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I actually kind of like this one for the Avs and, for that matter, the Canes in that they seem to need more finishers but I'm not sure Toronto is keen on adding Toews although I do think it would help them a lot.


I think this actually makes sense for what all 3 teams need. Probably needs some work on what other pieces go where to balance it out. But a 3 way revolving around Toews-Nylander-Necas could help balance out all 3 rosters.
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May 25, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.
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One of the other pieces I would be interested in if we moved Toews out would be Timmons. Not sure how Toronto views him with all the time he has missed due to injury lately. But would be an interesting piece to come back if Toronto needs to add.
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May 25, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: NMAvsFan
Nah; you're overvaluing an expiring UFA wing: two-way, top-pair D>almost any wing. He puts up a lot of points, sure, but he doesn't play a premium position, isn't known as a strong two-way player and is going to ask for a ton of money and term on his next deal. If anything, Avs should ask for a bit more from TO in this scenario. Leafs could keep him as an own rental but they can't afford to re-sign him and this is a very good offseason return. Now, TO could easily say that they need better supplementary scoring so this doesn't help but the value is solid.


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