no chance! Pens will just buyout grands if the cost is a 2nd to dump him

Yeah Arizona don't move cooley for Caufield

So have a little under 2m in dead cap in a single player to end Crosby's career. Thats a good way to compete

I’m not sure of the thinking behind Montreal getting the top prospect in hockey and the higher pick in this years draft with Arizona. Logan Cooley is probably worth more than Caufield at this point.

I like the idea of the Toronto/Montreal trade you have, but I don’t think Toronto takes on Anderson without some retention. Their cap is always tight and Anderson only makes it tighter and they have some big contract extensions coming up. If Montreal was willing to retain close to 25% of it, I could see more interest

Also not sure Vancouver does that deal for Boeser. In logically terms they should be rebuilding, but management doesn’t want to and they’re aiming for playoffs. They’ll look for roster players for Boeser - maybe someone like a swap for Dvorak makes sense for both sides

Personally I do not see the capitals giving up a third with Mantha for a 4th line guy. Maybe Mantha and fifth

Kovacevic and Ylonen are both roster players, and they get a draft pick + shed $6.65M of cap space which they desperately need... that's a no brainer for the Canucks.

I can't see MTL trading Caufield and Arizona would not give up Cooley + 12th overall for him either.

The Anderson deal isn't enough for MTL, the only real value there is a late 1st that might not even pan out... particularly when you're buying out Murray in the deal as well implying he is totally a cap dump with negative value.

Not to mention trading for Boeser immediately after moving Anderson so there isn't even cap gains to be made, Anderson scored more goals than Boeser last season in less games.

A 2nd is not enough for me to take 2 years of Granlund, but I like the idea (taking on bad contracts for futures).

Mantha isn't worth it (unless WSH gives more), worse player than Mike Hoffman habs can do better with $5.7M.

Hughes managed to get a 1st round pick for taking Monahan @ $6.375M allowing CGY to sign Kadri.

Granlund 2 years @ $5M should be worth more than a 2nd.

Murray 1 year @ $4.6M should be worth more than nothing.

Mantha 1 year @ $5.7M is worth more than a 3rd (especially if it allows Washington to bring Orlov back).

Cooley is not worth more than Caufield.

1. Cooley is an unsigned college player, he can decide to leave and the Yotes get a 2nd rounder
2. Caufield is worth as much as his offer sheet would be worth and anyone giving him one would be 4 1st round picks in compensation
3. No gm will ever put a prospects value over an established stars value
4. The overrating of Cooley is insane. Caufield put up better numbers as a 19 year old on a much worse College team.

Leafs accept the Anderson offer, but would prefer to take Edmundson on instead of the 3rd in that offer. So...

Murray, Matt
Villeneuve, William
2023 1st round pick (BOS)

For

Anderson, Josh
Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)

Done deal!

1. Cooley is not waiting till 2026 to join the NHL
2. Caufield is not remotely worth 4 1sts
3. Caufield level players are traded frequently. Cooley level prospects are traded never
4. Freshman year: Cooley: 60 points in 39 games, caufield 36 points in 36 games. Do you see how thats different?

I’d take that from a Canucks perspective. Could even take Ylonen out and I’d still take it

Both Ylonen and Kovacevic aren’t really much of roster players - just because they are on Montreal doesn’t mean they are on another team. Where do they fit in Vancouver? Kovacevic might be their 7th defenceman, and Ylonen would be a 4th liner at best. Those are easily replaceable kind of players. Boeser is still a top 6 player that can score - those have value.

Unless Vancouver is committing to a rebuild and really values the cap space, this deal just doesn’t make any sense to them. & unfortunately ownership wants to contend, they care about playoff money.

I think if Boeser is moved to Montreal it would be for someone like Dvorak straight up. Makes more sense for Vancouver to acquire a centre, but I’m not sure how much Boeser really fits in Montreal.

Cooley is absolutely worth at least just as much as Caufield.

1. College superstar players don’t typically wait out their time and go to get agency. Arizona is a different situation cause it’s not a sustainable market. Any young player having the rights to play for a massive market like Montreal does it 99% of the time.
2. Caufield is not worth 4 1st rounders. Not even close. An offersheet doesn’t determine trade value. It’s a method of signing a restricted free agent, completely different circumstances.
3. GM’s value a young, controllable players very highly. Especially a player like Cooley. Cooley also plays a more important position than Caufield. All Caufield does is score goals - which is important - but Cooley does that and much more.
4. Caufield had 1.31ppg in his college career, Cooley is currently at 1.54ppg. So how exactly did Caufield out perform Cooley?

You talk about overrating Cooley but it seems more like you’re overrating Caufield.

Ylonen is 23 so hes just coming into his own, he scored at a 35 point pace playing 3rd line minutes for MTL last year (just over 13 min per game). He could put up 40 pts in a 3rd line scoring role, and would likely be signed to a league minimum contract. With Boeser traded that 35 pt production would rank 6th or 7th on Vancouvers active roster by the way... so he's a 3rd line roster player for Vancouver.

Kovacevic is solid (finishing +3 on the 28th place team is decent - this while playing a shutdown role with Harris, 61% Dzone Starts), and makes less than league minimum for two more seasons, even if he's a 7th D he will contribute to Vancouvers roster for sure...

Then they get a draft pick + $6.65M in cap space which they could surely do better with than trading it for Dvorak as you suggest. By the way, a quick look a capfriendly tells you Vancouver has the worst cap situation in the NHL currently, so yes they really value cap space. They are $600k over the cap with only 18 players on the roster so not only would they value cap space but it's a necessity for them to shed cap somehow.

There’s other cap moves to be made rather than trading a top 6 player for 2 depth pieces. & it doesn’t really matter what your logic is, Vancouver ownership has made it clear they’re looking to win and this deal doesn’t help that. It’s a firm pass from the Canucks.

What a terrible take,

- A 3rd liner with offensive upside
- A depth defenseman on a contract that can't even be signed anymore in the CBA its so low (for 2 more season).
- A 2nd round pick
- $6.65M in cap space which could be used anywhere to improve the team (even in free agency where you could sign a top 6 F or top 4 D with that kind of money)

For:
- a top 6 forward

A "firm no" absolutely clueless, habs wouldn't even make this trade.

Ah yes. The bias Montreal fan puts their input in and can’t see this deal from the other teams perspective but calls other people clueless. Completely rational!

At least I've offered some analysis... all you've done is say "it doesn't matter what your logic is" and called me biased...

Great insight lol

Edit:
And I literally took the time to look at Vancouver's current forward situation (production wise Ylonen is 6th or 7th if you count Ilya Mikheyev, yet you proclaimed him a 4th liner) and most notably their cap situation which you were guessing at... "unless they really care about cap space"... of course they do they are over the cap ! Completely rational !

I don't understand why would two building teams swap young major core pieces before they get at full potential. These kind of trades don't happen because GMs get fired if it doesn't work out as planed.
Imagine if Cooley becomes a 90 pts playmaker until he's 34 while Caufield has health issues and never hit more than 30 goals? Arizona GM has his car bombed.
Or inversely, Caufield has multiple 50 goals seasons and helps Arizona push in the playoffs while Cooley never develops because of a couple bad plays that haunt him and destroy his confidence; get low-value traded later? Montreal GM gets thrown in the river head first.
Too much risk either way.

My two cents anyway

Avs aren't adding cap on D at the moment.