Trying to make necessary moves

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Created by: MoForNorris

Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 2, 2023

Published: Jun. 3, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Ryan Leonard (7th) and Lukas Dragicevic (21st) end up being our first round picks, Wings trade up to 7th (from 9th, see trade with Flyers) and back to 21st (from 21st, see trade with Chicago) also trade for DeBrincat (plus sign) and send away a future 1st (see trade with Ottawa)

As well as bring in Kilngberg and Schenn for the right side on the back end, bring back Gagner for 4th line C and Smith for a physical 13th forward. Assuming Cossa is 2 years away, bring in a vet goalie for those 2 years. Resign Oesterle as your 7th D.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
DeBrincat, Alex		7	$8,500,000
Smith, Givani		1	$900,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Gagner, Sam	1	$900,000
Klingberg, John	3	$4,200,000
Raanta, Antti	2	$2,500,000
Oesterle, Jordan	2	$1,200,000
Schenn, Luke	2	$1,525,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Leonard, Ryan		3	$950,000
Dragicevic, Lukas		3	$950,000

Offer Sheets

Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years

PLAYER	AAV	COMPENSATION
Smith, Givani	$900,000	No Compensation

Trades

DET

2023 1st round pick (PHI)
2023 3rd round pick (NYR)

Additional Details:

7th, 95th/96th overall

PHI

2023 1st round pick (DET)
2023 2nd round pick (STL)
2023 2nd round pick (VAN)

Additional Details:

9th, 42nd, 43rd overall

DET

2023 1st round pick (TBL)
2023 2nd round pick (TBL)

Additional Details:

21st and 53rd overall

CHI

Chiarot, Ben
2023 1st round pick (NYI)
2023 2nd round pick (DET)

Additional Details:

17th and 41st overall
Chiarot is indeed a bad contract. Makes everyone worse on Detroit (check you'll see in Hronek, Mo, etc) frees up the 3 years and drop a combined 16 spots to do it.

DET

DeBrincat, Alex [RFA Rights]

OTT

Berggren, Jonatan
Viro, Eemil
2024 1st round pick (BOS)
2024 4th round pick (DAL)

Additional Details:

2024 1st rounder is lower pick, the Boston pick is top 10 protected by Bruins.

DET

2023 5th round pick (VGK)

Additional Details:

159th/160th overall

ARI

Veleno, Joseph [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Just get rid of the guy.

Buyouts

Justin Abdelkader: $1,055,556

Retained Salary Transactions

Jakub Vrána: $2,625,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$67,959,722	$0	$5,257,500	$15,540,278

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
DeBrincat, Alex $8,500,000$8,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Larkin, Dylan $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NTC UFA - 8	Raymond, Lucas $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) RW, LW RFA - 1
Mazur, Carter $905,833$905,833 ($57,500$58K) LW RFA - 3	Kasper, Marco $918,333$918,333 ($1,000,000$1M) C RFA - 3	Perron, David $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Copp, Andrew $5,625,000$5,625,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Rasmussen, Michael $1,460,000$1,460,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Kubalik, Dominik $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Fabbri, Robby $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW UFA - 2	Gagner, Sam $900,000$900,000 RW, C UFA - 1	Zadina, Filip $1,100,000$1,100,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Smith, Givani $900,000$900,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Czarnik, Austin $762,500$762,500 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Walman, Jake $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Seider, Moritz $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Husso, Ville $4,750,000$4,750,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Edvinsson, Simon $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 3	Klingberg, John $4,200,000$4,200,000 RD UFA - 1	Raanta, Antti $2,500,000$2,500,000 G UFA - 1
Määttä, Olli $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Schenn, Luke $1,525,000$1,525,000 RD UFA - 3
Oesterle, Jordan $1,200,000$1,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
DeBrincat, A.		Larkin, D.		Perron, D.
	Raymond, L.		Klingberg, J.

Power Play 2
Mazur, C.		Copp, A.		Kubalik, D.
	Walman, J.		Seider, M.

Penalty Kill 1
	Larkin, D.	Copp, A.
	Edvinsson, S.	Schenn, L.

Penalty Kill 2
	Kasper, M.	Rasmussen, M.
	Walman, J.	Seider, M.

Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:01 a.m.

Moss_Bucket

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Leonard and the Flyers have been linked together pretty heavily, so I don't think their's much of a chance they would trade down if he's still available.

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:07 a.m.

TheBigFlyera

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Quoting: Moss_Bucket

Leonard and the Flyers have been linked together pretty heavily, so I don't think their's much of a chance they would trade down if he's still available.

9th and 17th packaged together for 7th is the only way I move for Detroit. That’s my ask to back off of 1 of Leonard, Benson, Smith, Michkov.

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:16 a.m.

MoForNorris

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

9th and 17th packaged together for 7th is the only way I move for Detroit. That’s my ask to back off of 1 of Leonard, Benson, Smith, Michkov.

Obviously depends on Montreal, they'll take either Reinbacher or Benson. Arizona takes Smith at 6th, and also Mitchkov goes 4th. We all can agree Montreal drafts need over best player (look at kotkenami and slaf) But I also do think Philly maybe goes D wherever they pick.

Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:17 a.m.

KPM12

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I respectfully disagree with the flyers fans above. I think it is a good way for DET to add another top end talent to the pool. PHI definitely needs to add more quantity to the pool and it is a great way to do that. I think at 9, things may still work out how they want or they can move down to 11-12 if it doesn’t

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:19 a.m.

MoForNorris

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Quoting: KPM12

Philly has no 2nd round picks in this years or next years, I think trading the 17th and 9th is an overpayment, but trading 2 of 3 thirds I am more comfortable with

Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:27 a.m.

PuzzledActuary

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Edited Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:34 a.m.

This is so bad....so bad

PHI isnt gonna do that.

Why are we moving back to get rid of a meaningless contract?

Not enough for Cat.

Just get rid of Veleno? What a stupid take.

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:29 a.m.

LivingAnew

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I believe the Hawks decline. That's a hefty 3-yrs of a contract to take on. Plus, the Hawks wouldn't be moving up 16 combined slots for the picks, as their TBL picks are #19 and #51 (not #21 and #53, as you had in your calculation.) Sorry...

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:32 a.m.

MoForNorris

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Quoting: LivingAnew

Calculations are my fault, replace Lightning pick with Rangers pick to start off with, and could also throw in that 3rd rounder Detroit would get from the Flyers (Rangers pick) might be quantity instead of quality at that point though

Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:37 a.m.

TheBigFlyera

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Quoting: MoForNorris

If the Flyers take a D in an offensive heavy draft I will just stop supporting them lol. They need to draft the best player available and at 7 that will be a forward

Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:38 a.m.

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TheBigFlyera

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Quoting: MoForNorris

Philly has no 2nd round picks in this years or next years, I think trading the 17th and 9th is an overpayment, but trading 2 of 3 thirds I am more comfortable with

9 and 17 is an overpayment but that’s what it will take imo when a player like Benson, Leonard, Smith, Michkov will be available at 7. What will some 2nds or 3rds do? Odds of hitting a star in the 1st round are exponentially higher and the Flyers don’t need more middle 6 guys that they keep finding in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds they need stars that overwhelmingly get drafted in the 1st round

Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:40 a.m.

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TheBigFlyera

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Quoting: KPM12

There’s just no reason for them to move done 2 spots for two 2nds. Just take the best player at 7 unless someone overpays you like 9th and 17th. If not keep it simple and just draft in ur spot. The 2nds aren’t worth it.

Jun. 3, 2023 at 12:55 a.m.

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LivingAnew

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Quoting: MoForNorris

I still the Hawks would probably decline, as the key item would be only moving up two spots in the first round (#19 to #17). The delta between the Rangers and Red Wings 2nd round picks would be larger, of course, and the third could be meaningful as it's a deep draft this year. Just don't know if it's enough to take on that three-year, bad contract. It's making me think, though... Good effort! Cheers

Jun. 3, 2023 at 1:03 a.m.

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Frankus_maximus

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Ottawa has too many left shot LD already. They wouldn't want another one. Ottawa will want a bit more than that for the cat anyways.

Jun. 3, 2023 at 1:30 a.m.

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Farabee

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I guess I'm the only Flyers fan who wouldn't mind this trade. I get what the others above are saying about not wanting to trade down unless we get 17 but if we did trade down I would think this is the best offer we get (Unless theres a guy a team reaaaaally likes)

Jun. 3, 2023 at 1:32 a.m.

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flyersfan412

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Flyers prospect pool lacks high-end talent, so I don't think this is too realistic. Two second rounders would be nice considering we don't even have one, but I'd prefer to keep #7.

Jun. 3, 2023 at 1:33 a.m.

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flyersfan412

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Quoting: Farabee

I understand where you're coming from because we don't have a second, but I feel like this is a draft you don't trade down in. Flyers prospect pool needs high-end talent.

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 1:37 a.m.

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DeadWingsv2

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this whole post is nonsense.

Jun. 3, 2023 at 2:36 a.m.

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Farabee

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Quoting: flyersfan412

I understand where you're coming from because we don't have a second, but I feel like this is a draft you don't trade down in. Flyers prospect pool needs high-end talent.

Yeah basically just if we would be willing to move down (Maybe the guy we wanted is gone or something) that this would be an acceptable offer. I definitely don't move down in this draft though unless like previously said we get another 1st with it

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 2:48 a.m.

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flyersfan412

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Quoting: Farabee

Yea I like that thought process. Leanard or Benson seem ideal at 7 (I'm also optimistic about Michkov falling because of his contract situation), but if we can't get one of those guys for whatever reason, I'm open to trading down.

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Jun. 3, 2023 at 7:15 a.m.

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Madrigal

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I'm going to be in the middle of the two sides here. 17 and 9 for 7 is way too much. However, the deal as currently constructed isn't quite enough. Not only that the Flyers don't gain picks just equity and they need to gain quantity. It's only two spots but those are a big two spots. A couple of years ago the Coyotes gave the Flyers a 2nd round pick to move up from 14 to 11. Make it 9 and 43 for 7 and I think that's fair for both sides. Otherwise the Flyers decline.

Jun. 3, 2023 at 7:36 a.m.

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IconicHawk

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If we’re moving up two spots and giving up pick 19, then there’s no reason for us to take Chairot

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