Bouchard has been a pretty good player up with the Oilers the last couple of years and can fill the spot that Pesce is currently in for less money and is still getting better

Bouchard can’t do what pesce does.

I mean he's more like Skjei than he Pesce but RBA can definitely develop the defensive side in him

We are trying to win now not worry about having a 2nd line that becomes poor defensively and pushed around

6'3 190 Not exactly going to get pushed around... I mean in all likelihood either Skjei or Pesce is going to leave after this season so why not get a return while you can

10M to sign 6 contracts is very doable, with most of them being bottom 6 signings. Of course having more cap is better but that's why they should seek help from a team that isn't competing rather than an Eastern Conference contender.

Worth noting that the 4M might end up essentially being rental money for the season depending on extensions.

Buyout

I mean that depends on what Samsonov gets

If it's 5M, that leaves 1M for 5 guys, if Muzzin ends up on LTIR which is more than likely, that gives them another 5.6M to work with.

I just looked at his stats on natural statrick, just to see and guess what I found? Pesce is without a doubt the most overrated player in the league. On a team plays a system that boosts everyone advance stats, his are pretty bad. Very poor compared to the rest of his team.

Goals for percentage is below 40%
Expected goals for % is 44.7% (on a team that sees some of the best Expected goals for In the league)
SCF is below 50%
HDCF was 41%

High danger chances for was 6-8, only Martinook and Fast had a worse % than Pesce.

As I have said, he's super overrated. He's a fine player, but just that, fine. I would welcome him at the right price without a doubt, he's definitely a good 2nd pair defenceman. But that isn't worth a quarter of what you guys think he is. He's McCabe. Does some things you really like but definitely has a ceiling and he isn't going to improve much. He is what he is. Which again, is good.

Go look up Nylander's stats, there is no rational argument for Peace's perceived value. He's exactly like Parayko, a really good secondary defenceman, but when he has to be the guy, he'll flounder. He's not a top pair defenceman, unless his partner is a legit #1. Slavin is unreal, he would fetch a kings ransom, but Pesce is no where near that level.

Because keeping a winning team together is better than trying to get returns that set us back

I can totally get that argument but I'm really concerned about Skjei or Pesce walking for nothing

If those are the post-season stats both him and his partner were playing through injury

Pesce can't do what you guys say Pesce does. Go check out his impact on natural statrick, he didn't have a great season. On a team where they tilted the ice so heavily in their favor, Pesce spent most of his time defending. Slavin is the guy you want us all to believe Pesce is but he's not. He's good sure, but Pesce isn't worth half of what you think he is.

I have since realized I was looking at just the playoffs, making my argument void.

Well I am wearing the clown shoes today for sure. My bad, I still don't think he's worth what you think he is, but I can't be reasonable and point to the small sample size of the playoffs to make a judgment.

You're good... I don't think he's amazing but I do think he's an above average second pairing defenseman

Right. For a guy covering for Skjei and taking all of the tough assignments. Add in our offense took a step backwards this season. He is exactly who we thought he was.

Not sure why Carolina would break their top-4. Keep ‘em together another year…maybe two. Then Nikishin and Morrow come into view.

The problem I see with Bouchard is he is likely to become a PP specialist. 22/89 of his career regular season points are on the PP, and 18/26 in the postseason have been on the PP, one of, if not the league’s best PP I might add. That offense is going to suffer on a criminally inconsistent PP like Carolina, and I’m not sure he will put up the even strength points to make up for the loss in offense. I’m also not sure that Bouchard will be what the Canes need defensively either, whereas the Canes know what they have defensively with the current group.

It just doesn’t make sense to move Pesce. There is no one that can really fill the hole that would open if he were to be moved, and the Canes would have to make a considerable overpayment just to fill that hole.

Yeesh, I like Pesce as much as the next guy, but some the absurd value some fellow Canes’ fans place on him sure is something.

It costed the Leafs moving 13 spots to get rid of 2 years of Mrazek and it took LA a 2nd to move on from 5mill Pete for 2 years

Explain why we paying a 1st and 3rd to move Murray? and getting nothing back

Rn u could argue if it costed LA to dump a 5mill x 2 year AHL goalie for a 2nd Murray whose on a 1 year deal and cheaper with a better buyout costs a 3rd

Yeah that's fair, I just don't see that as being half as valuable as many do. Scoring is the hardest thing to do so trading a point a game player gets more than a 2nd pair defenceman, a lot more.

He's a 2nd pair defenceman. That's what he is. Nothing more.

I'm also a fan of a team who's thrives on defense so you really learn to appreciate it

You certainly need a commitment to defence to win. Both our teams do well on the defensive side.