The fact that you think you can get Warren back in this deal is WILD

We say no every day of the week

Verbeek has already said he sees a Mintyukov Warren pairing in the future as well so you know how high he thinks of him as well

Eh, i think a pass from the penguins.. I don't know enough about Harris, but as stands he'd be third pair.

Tuch and Ylonen aren't NHL ready yet, and not really sure i have interest in Gurianov.

IMO if the penguins are going to give up the 14OA this year it needs to be for someone that's slotting into Top 4 D or Top 6 Forward (or goalie) otherwise i'm not moving it.

Harris is a Matheson lite ! Ylonen is already playing NHL but need a better team : Him and Poehlong got chemistry too. Gurianov is probably to fill a spot with Geno he could be a great finisher.

The OP offer 5th 14th + Farrell + Mailloux (former 1st) could Habs ask one of the Anaheim rhd to be swaped in the deal, maybe .... Mintyukov Mailloux could work too !

This trade just ain't it tbh, not worth 14 to the pens

They need youngs players too, Habs can offer few.

If I deal Mailloux in a Fantilli deal with 2 other first I want one of your 3 rhd prospect, so wich one would you part way with?

Yeah, i'm still good man. They need proven players. Harris seems like a solid player, but i'm all set on the rest.

i don't disagree, but not for 14OA lol

Been said multiple times by now but that offer won't cut it for the jets. MTL isn't the only team on his list. "If it was that simple, it would already be done"

I like Ylonen and I think he is NHL ready, but everyone else I don't really have interest in. I think if we were to trade down in the draft it would have to start with a 1st round pick that's a little lower, 2nd rounder, 4th (or decent prospect/roster player). Outside of that I'm not really interested.

Yeah, this isn't a good trade for Pittsburgh. I'd be willing to move the 14oa for what you stated or like i said Top 6 F or Top 4 D, otherwise i'm not sending the 14th OA for a basket of apples and a 3rd lol

Remove the protection

Pens decline.

Harris fits for 1 reason
He's one of the few to be able to cover Petry's turnovers and help activate him offensively
If nothing else you should have a modicum of interest in that alone given the investment you made into Petry and the buyout cost you'll incur if you go that route.
Im glad you atleast see his value but the fact you're not trying to renegotiate even without the 14thOA involved is just surprising.

Ylonen is NHL ready just barely more then A.Nylander but still more ready and having played great for MTL this past year.
I just dont think he fits PIT as your system isnt about Depth its about front loading your talent and having decent veteran(usually) Support for them to help chew up minutes.
For that type of system really only Josh Roy makes sense and his value overall isnt the same as MTL values him.
Outside that none that we're willing to move are where you need them to be at the cap you need them to be

Mallioux isn’t even eligible to play in the NHL, and you’re asking for value in return for one of the most problematic prospects in hockey? Geez

Petry had 36 giveaways this season, and 23 takeaways, both numbers better than his prior year in MTL. Petry wasn't that bad in Pittsburgh this year, I still didn't care for that trade from Hextall, but nothing can be done now. They're not going to buyout Petry, no one has suggested that. So sure, i'd be willing to talk about trading Harris.

Would completely disagree that PIT's system isn't about depth.... look at their back to back cup runs, both teams were extremely deep. Hextall went away from that. I would anticipate Dubas and Co look to go back to that.

Regardless, i'm not sending the 14oa for a 2nd/3rd pair Dman and a scattering of bottom 6/AHL players lol

You want the 14OA then i'll take FLAs 2023 1st, 2023 2nd and a 4th

No one alive long enough to remember Bettman taking over is even batting an eyelash.
We remember him the NBA and letting them get away with just short of Murder until he left then the NBA crackdown
Until Gary Leaves , dont expect a Crackdown on anyone but Russians like Voynov
Once Gary leaves , then ill worry

He’s literally ineligible to play, according to Gary Bettman’s office

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/canadiens-prospect-logan-mailloux-remains-ineligible-to-play-in-nhl-163842246.html

He will litteraly have an interview to assess the situation in the next month, and don't be on your high ground cuz he will be reinstated, it's a formality.

Mallioux isn't eligible to play in the NHL, until that changes, he's worth a bag of pucks.

So to answer your question, none drafted before the 4th round.

Then we can re-evaluate this ACGM then. Until it's official, his value is negligible.

the value pointed out is good. Would be fun if it's the deal at the draft and you guys still wondering how to judge it, cuz you think ineligibility is a thing that can stop a trade.

Its not enough. They'd need to take the Granlund contract which is what the Pens really want with more cap flexibility. This trade is essentially Harris plus a few 3rds for the 14th overall and a 5th. Pens will want more.



He is. Its a power play by the agent to up the AAV contract terms . It takes time cause its a negotiation. PLD wouldnt have showed up at the draft last year and all this smoke wouldnt be a reality. Its PLD to the Habs, no other teams, its misdirection.



wut?

"its about front loading your talent and having decent veteran (usually)support for them to help chew up minutes"
Yeah i addressed those runs. Spreading 1/6 top 6 in Kessel to carry Hagelin and Bonino doesnt make it less true
I mean the importance of Cullen alone taking bulk defensive faceoffs playing a key shutdown role so 3rd line could Shoot is rarely talked about.
Its not a bad thing it just means you rely too heavily on certain people and when 1/3 or 1/4 players in your core goes down your Cup hopes that year die with it.

Where as teams like MTL or BOS lose key players and it was next man up on their SCF roles.
Both lose top line players replacing them with bottom 6 guys who stepped up (some more then others as BOS won we didnt)
Some teams like MTL traditionally build 4 line teams since the 1970's dynasty years where we used it to combat highly offensive teams like LAK&Dionne, BOS&Espisito, NYI&Bossy, PHI&Clark, ext

Some teams like PIT win many cups by front end loading and hoping the sheer quality of their core makes those around them better for a 20-24 game timeline in the playoffs.
Cant argue with their results under Lemieux or Crosby . Different systems are built historically in a variety of ways and atleast PIT consistent


As for your trade , i cant argue it
It makes sense based on Capfriendly's history of trading the top 10 picks since 2000 tweet on twitter.(given the depth this years top 15 is better then most years top 10 so i think it losly applies)