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Interesting idea

Created by: Hammerwise
Team: 2023-24 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 16, 2023
Published: Jun. 16, 2023
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So say Flyers are going to offer sheet Lafreniere, but basically work out a sign and trade instead of the weaker compensation of the offer sheet. NYR need some cap space and get a quality LW. Two of their best prospects also play LW, so the loss of Lafy (the 1st overall) nets back some good value, and they have a solid NOW player and the prospects (Otthman especially) on the way.
Lafreniere, basically getting 2nd line or less minutes, accepts and PHI could also take the somewhat cap dump of Goodrow instead of later Jeff Carter idea. SO its Lafreniere and Goodrow for 3+mil in cap space, Laughton and 2 2nds
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$975,000
3$975,000
3$2,475,000
3$2,875,000
3$2,975,000
3$4,575,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$6,125,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Bemström, Emil
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (LAK)
  3. 2025 4th round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Hayes, Kevin ($2,142,857 retained)
2.
PHI
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (FLA)
Additional Details:
Jay OBrien compensation, NOT ARZ
ARI
3.
PHI
  1. Myers, Philippe
  2. 2024 4th round pick (CHI)
  3. 2024 6th round pick (TBL)
  4. 2025 6th round pick (TBL)
Additional Details:
cap dump in Myers
4.
PHI
  1. 2023 5th round pick (CAR)
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (CAR)
5.
PHI
  1. Lafrenière, Alexis [RFA Rights]
NYR
  1. Fedotov, Ivan
  2. Laughton, Scott
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (FLA)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (CBJ)
Additional Details:
Laughton is probably worth a 1st and 3rd or 4th, 2 good 2nds, and fedotov, finally finished with military service in Russia is probably worth a 4th - a 1st, 2 2nds, 2 4ths and cap space for NYR?
6.
PHI
  1. Carter, Jeff
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Carter only waives NTC to go back and retire where it started
PIT
  1. Allison, Wade
Additional Details:
Allison is a nice banging bottom 6 winger, who if he stays healthy, has nice hands and wheels
7.
PHI
  1. Zadina, Filip
  2. 2023 1st round pick (DET)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
Michkov falls to 7th Overall, DET (also CHI and ARZ all want), DET pick is 9th overall, the 2nd is their lowest of 3 they have
DET
  1. Petersen, Cal
  2. 2023 1st round pick (PHI)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Possibly good 2nd in 2024 and cap dump of Petersen, alot to move up 2 picks maybe, but some DET fans (and CHI fans) endorse/proposed it
8.
PHI
  1. Minten, Fraser
  2. Murray, Matt
Additional Details:
IMO, Murray cap dump probably cost a 3rd at least, lacking picks in 2023 and 2024, Leafs get a small bit of draft capitol in a 5th and a very cheap RD insurance if timmins/liljegren cant fill the 2RD and 3RD role/brodie gets traded/schenn not resigned
TOR
  1. Myers, Philippe ($700,000 retained)
  2. 2023 5th round pick (CAR)
9.
PHI
    not sure how he got on roster
    Buyouts
    Retained Salary Transactions
    Buried
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2023
    Logo of the LAK
    Logo of the DET
    Logo of the VAN
    Logo of the FLA
    Logo of the NYR
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the EDM
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the OTT
    Logo of the PHI
    2024
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the FLA
    Logo of the LAK
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the LAK
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the CHI
    Logo of the LAK
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the TBL
    Logo of the PHI
    2025
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the DET
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the CAR
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the TBL
    Logo of the PHI
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$83,500,000$81,126,857$1,187,500$0$2,373,143
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $4,575,000$4,575,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $7,750,000$7,750,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $2,975,000$2,975,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $863,333$863,333
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $5,875,000$5,875,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $2,475,000$2,475,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $3,125,000$3,125,000
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $900,000$900,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $2,875,000$2,875,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    $6,125,000$6,125,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $3,979,000$3,979,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $6,250,000$6,250,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $5,100,000$5,100,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $775,000$775,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $2,650,000$2,650,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $975,000$975,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $775,000$775,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $6,250,000$6,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Taxi Squad
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $845,833$845,833 ($0$0$0$0)
    C, LW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $825,000$825,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$37,500$38K)
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $847,500$847,500 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $903,333$903,333 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
    LD
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    $859,167$859,167 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
    G
    RFA - 1

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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:07 a.m.
    #1
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    Feels like a slight overpay for Laf.

    I think Laughton and a 2nd should get it done. Maybe add a third too.
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: Prison_Goalie_Rick
    Feels like a slight overpay for Laf.

    I think Laughton and a 2nd should get it done. Maybe add a third too.


    Possibly, I think NYR fans having spent the No 1 OVERALL on Lafreniere will not see it as equal value, no matter what. NYR have some cap issues, they also have panarin and Kreider at LW, with 3 solid LW prospects inclusing Otthman in AHL, on the way. But its the mental side of trading a number 1 overall. Lafreniere is probably looking at 2RW position at best with the present lineup, on a team that went out and got tarasenko and patirck kane at TDL further pushing him down in minutes. Taking Laughton doesn;t save them tons on the cap, but its a better offer than if Lafreniere gets an offer sheet for far more $$$.

    Laughton will be a good 3LW in that system, the picks are great for TDL deals for NYR, and two of their best prospects are at LW. PHI could offer sheet at 6mil and it'll only cost a 1st and 3rd.
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:22 a.m.
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    Folks aren’t paying for TDA at full cap hit
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:23 a.m.
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    Canes aren’t giving you any kind of refund for TDA. You can pay us to take him back though.
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:27 a.m.
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    Quoting: evelutions2
    Canes aren’t giving you any kind of refund for TDA. You can pay us to take him back though.


    I agree with him
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:35 a.m.
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    Folks aren’t paying for TDA at full cap hit


    True, he had a good offensive year on a bad offensive team and still has some value, BUT you are correct that at his full cap hit he doesn;t get good value back.

    But at 50% he gets alot more than a 3rd three drafts away and a 5th, especially if PHI keeps him until TDL.

    CAR only came to mind as the rumours of RD Karlsson, but for the 1 yr rental of TDA, Carolina did more than okay with a 2nd and 3rd.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:42 a.m.
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    Trading Laf solves none of their issues. Especially if return is forward with 2-3 left then declines.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 7:43 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    True, he had a good offensive year on a bad offensive team and still has some value, BUT you are correct that at his full cap hit he doesn;t get good value back.

    But at 50% he gets alot more than a 3rd three drafts away and a 5th, especially if PHI keeps him until TDL.

    CAR only came to mind as the rumours of RD Karlsson, but for the 1 yr rental of TDA, Carolina did more than okay with a 2nd and 3rd.


    Canes getting Karlsson would be quite the most un-Carolina move ever so I have my doubts that rumor is even close to true. With the amount of defensive players available this year, i doubt we revisit TDA. Could but doubtful.
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:01 a.m.
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    Quoting: AG_sweden
    Trading Laf solves none of their issues. Especially if return is forward with 2-3 left then declines.


    It solves some issues if Lafreniere gets offersheeted for more than 4.25mil. The chances are that Lafreniere has to get more than 4.25mil offer, anything below is looking for trouble. (A close example would be Joel Farabee, who had similar promising stats and got 5mil).

    NYR has 2 LW already (Panarin and Kredier) with their star prospect also ready at LW. Laughton alone only saves them a bit of cap, but the picks in return and possibly adding in Goodrow opens some possibilities.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:08 a.m.
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    Hammer - come on man. We can't take Tony back. Let's talk a little Konecny.
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: InRodWeTrust
    Hammer - come on man. We can't take Tony back. Let's talk a little Konecny.


    Sorry Cane fans, I'd have to redo two trades just to reconfigure, but suffice to say PHI will either:

    Retain 2mil on TDA or trade him elsewhere.

    I think a 40+ pt RD (especially with some retention) will have some value (medium to good value with retention) on the market and a 3rd THREE drafts away and a 5th is a pretty weak return, but I get it, CAR is not the return destination.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Sorry Cane fans, I'd have to redo two trades just to reconfigure, but suffice to say PHI will either:

    Retain 2mil on TDA or trade him elsewhere.

    I think a 40+ pt RD (especially with some retention) will have some value (medium to good value with retention) on the market and a 3rd THREE drafts away and a 5th is a pretty weak return, but I get it, CAR is not the return destination.


    I think you'll be able to dump him, no problem, but Carolina isn't going to run it back this year. They have moved on from him.
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:23 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    It solves some issues if Lafreniere gets offersheeted for more than 4.25mil. The chances are that Lafreniere has to get more than 4.25mil offer, anything below is looking for trouble. (A close example would be Joel Farabee, who had similar promising stats and got 5mil).

    NYR has 2 LW already (Panarin and Kredier) with their star prospect also ready at LW. Laughton alone only saves them a bit of cap, but the picks in return and possibly adding in Goodrow opens some possibilities.


    They move Goodrow this off-season either through trade or buyout. That will need to happen where Laffy or Laughton plays in NYR. Because Laffy will be signed for 2.7-3.0 ish anyway. And saving 1.4 mil on offersheet is not enough to merit a trade I'm sorry. They need to ride out that bad Panarin contract, that is what they need to do.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: AG_sweden
    They move Goodrow this off-season either through trade or buyout. That will need to happen where Laffy or Laughton plays in NYR. Because Laffy will be signed for 2.7-3.0 ish anyway. And saving 1.4 mil on offersheet is not enough to merit a trade I'm sorry. They need to ride out that bad Panarin contract, that is what they need to do.


    Buying out Goodrow is a bit insane, not only does it cost, but its a fairly substantial cap hit over the next 8 years.

    But I really doubt Laffy signs for 2.7-3mil. He probably gets almost twice that.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Buying out Goodrow is a bit insane, not only does it cost, but its a fairly substantial cap hit over the next 8 years.

    But I really doubt Laffy signs for 2.7-3mil. He probably gets almost twice that.


    No, he doesn't get that much. My guess around 3 m for 2 years. Goodrow will cost 1.15 m last year of Panarin's contract. 3.65 M the year after that and 1.258 for four years after that. Not that bad. Much better than keep doing the same mistakes over and over hoping things will change. And once Panarin is gone it is safe to say window of winning is gone so 3.65 m for a year that will not matter isn't horrendous.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 8:52 a.m.
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    Fedotov, if he comes over seas, isn’t worth giving up.

    Let him play a year and get a massive return for him if we move him
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:02 a.m.
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    Quoting: AG_sweden
    No, he doesn't get that much. My guess around 3 m for 2 years. Goodrow will cost 1.15 m last year of Panarin's contract. 3.65 M the year after that and 1.258 for four years after that. Not that bad. Much better than keep doing the same mistakes over and over hoping things will change. And once Panarin is gone it is safe to say window of winning is gone so 3.65 m for a year that will not matter isn't horrendous.


    Dont know about that, even the calculator on this site has 3.75mil AAV as his likely renewal, and someone can easily offer sheet more than that. Thats a real simple qualifying offer for most teams, even more upside and likely than the Kotkanemi one. (And no one has to sign an offer sheet, but he is the overall 1 pick, with two LW ahead of him on depth chart and the TDL acquisitions taking his icetime, and not being able to take the next step or be "the man", who knows if those factor into Lafreniere's head.) Theres lots of comparables, as I said before Farabee signed a long term 5mil deal with similar production on a lesser team. I just think a low ball offer from NYR, (which might be all they can afford), might be looking for trouble.

    Goodrow at 3.6mil for 4 years is an 8 year buyout, and while most years are 1.3mil thats still alot, when they can get someone, in this case PHI, to take him for something they really want. Its a crazy amount of money and cap space to just give up. No teams are doing long term buy outs (not since they changed the rules so it counts against the cap). I just cant see even the deep pockets of NYR buying out a 4 yr contract and having to live with that for 8 years.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:08 a.m.
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    If Laughton was a RW then there would be some merit to this, but he's not so Rangers decline.
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    Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:26 a.m.
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    Quoting: GoofyFoFoofy
    If Laughton was a RW then there would be some merit to this, but he's not so Rangers decline.


    Laughton can play all 3 positions, but mainly at C or LW because PHI has always been short
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:53 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Laughton can play all 3 positions, but mainly at C or LW because PHI has always been short


    That's not good enough, you're asking for a former 1OA that still has a very high ceiling in return, that's a longterm role player you're getting right there for yourself, in return the Rangers will need someone who they feel confident can slide well into their lineup, which means it's gonna have to be a solid RW. If you're willing to part with Koneckny here I'm sure the Rangers would be interested.
     
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