Workshopping a Pesce trade

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Created by: SupremeBone

Team: 2023-24 Edmonton Oilers

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 17, 2023

Published: Jun. 17, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Can the trade include an extra 500-600k in retention of Pesce's contract? This would facilitate the signing of another depth player that allows the Oilers to ice a 22-man roster while still maintaining ~200k in cap flexibility for use around the deadline. Or potentially the full 2mil in retention? Would obviously cost more but that would allow Bouchard to be signed to the Dobson deal (4mil * 3) and maybe extend McLeod beyond McDavid's contract (2.25mil * 4 or 5, perhaps).

Only alternative would be further short-changing/shortening the McLeod or Bouchard deals- which are already straying into "too short/cheap" territory.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Bouchard, Evan	2	$3,250,000
McLeod, Ryan	3	$1,750,000
Lavoie, Raphael	2	$775,000
Rodrigue, Olivier	2	$775,000
Laaksonen, Oskari	2	$775,000
Madden, Tyler	2	$775,000
Kostin, Klim	1	$800,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Brown, Connor		1	$1,000,000
Drouin, Jonathan		1	$1,000,000

Offer Sheets

Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years

PLAYER	AAV	COMPENSATION
Laaksonen, Oskari	$775,000	No Compensation
Madden, Tyler	$775,000	No Compensation

Trades

EDM

Pesce, Brett

Additional Details:

How does a package like this stack up as a starting point? I've read a number of AGMs about this and the price seems to start with a 1st and one of the top prospects. While I'm sure CAR prefers getting current pieces, the 1st can be put to use in a subsequent trade (perhaps acquiring Karlsson?).

CAR

Broberg, Philip
Yamamoto, Kailer
2024 1st round pick (EDM)

Additional Details:

I think salary would need to go back in the deal and I think Yamo could be a solid 1-year replacement for Fast. As CAR has ample cap space, the retention and/or taking salary back doesn't seem implausible, either.

EDM

2023 5th round pick (ANA)

ANA

Ceci, Cody

Buyouts

James Neal: $1,916,667

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$83,500,000	$83,054,167	$850,000	$650,000	$445,833

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kane, Evander $5,125,000$5,125,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 3	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Hyman, Zach $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 5
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 6	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Drouin, Jonathan $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Foegele, Warren $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	McLeod, Ryan $1,750,000$1,750,000 C RFA - 2	Brown, Connor $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Kostin, Klim $800,000$800,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Holloway, Dylan $925,000$925,000 ($650,000$650K) LW, C RFA - 1	Ryan, Derek $900,000$900,000 C, RW UFA - 2
		Lavoie, Raphael $775,000$775,000 RW, C RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $9,250,000$9,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Pesce, Brett $4,025,000$4,025,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Skinner, Stuart $2,600,000$2,600,000 G UFA - 3
Ekholm, Mattias $6,000,000$6,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Bouchard, Evan $3,250,000$3,250,000 RD RFA - 2	Campbell, Jack $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Kulak, Brett $2,750,000$2,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Desharnais, Vincent $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Jun. 17, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.

greytcanes

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I think you’ll be outbid. This won’t be enough.

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Jun. 17, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.

Caniac555

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The Canes would retain half on Pesce if you want. Yamo doesn’t do anything for the Canes, he just becomes another undersized forward for the Canes, we have plenty. Plus he can’t stay healthy.

Broberg is ok, but he’s not even a top 2 defenseman prospect for the Canes and is aging out at almost 22 already.

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Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:07 a.m.

SupremeBone

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Quoting: greytcanes

I think you’ll be outbid. This won’t be enough.

Possible that they'll be outbid but I have a hard time imagining him garnering that much more. Could be wrong, though. Appreciate the feedback!

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Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:15 a.m.

SupremeBone

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Quoting: Caniac555

Okay, the retention is the preferred route, anyway, as Yamo can be bought out with minimal cost.

I disagree that Broberg is 'aging out' at age 22; Nikishin will also be 22 by season's start. I know circumstances are different but my point is that people are WAY too quick to dismiss a guy who just played his 21-year old season as an effective NHL regular. I think the combination of those two makes for a great and cost-effective development/ succession strategy behind Slavin. However, you're free to have your opinion.

That aside, assuming the package starts with Broberg and the 1st, what more would it take?

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Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.

Caniac2000

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Yamamoto is a cap dump. Broberg is meh and the 1st is too far away. Carolina can retain, but you need to start with Bouchard. That's the only way this works. Otherwise, the Sabres can beat this offer 10000 times over with pieces like 13th overall, JJ Peterka etc that I've seen in deals so far.

Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:33 a.m.

NHLfan10506

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Probably gotta be Bouchard…or a three-way deal with team that wants EDM prospects

Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:34 a.m.

SupremeBone

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Well, I'll maintain my earlier position regarding Broberg. Bouchard being included is a complete non-starter IMO so I can't exactly argue with the fact that a team like Buffalo has more to offer. Thanks for the feedback!

Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:49 a.m.

JarvisforSelke

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Probably gotta be Bouchard…or a three-way deal with team that wants EDM prospects

This is what hurricanes fans have been shouting ever since Oilers fans have starting proposing a Pesce to EDM trade

Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:56 a.m.

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: seanrushton

This is what hurricanes fans have been shouting ever since Oilers fans have starting proposing a Pesce to EDM trade

Unless Canes fall in love with Holloway or some other young player…it’s hard to see a match. Find a third team.

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Jun. 17, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.

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InRodWeTrust

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If you are using other ACGM's as guidance for a Pesce trade you are already miles in the wrong direction. Grab a 3rd party and expedite a trade that gives us a major piece in return. A stack of things that does not help us now.... does not help us now.

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