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Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 17, 2023
Published: Jun. 19, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
3$2,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$3,000,000
3$3,250,000
3$3,000,000
2$1,500,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Granlund, Mikael ($2,000,000 retained)
2.
PIT
  1. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
3.
CGY
  1. O'Connor, Drew [RFA Rights]
  2. Pickering, Owen
  3. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
4.
BOS
  1. Smith, Ty [RFA Rights]
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (VGK)
5.
PIT
  1. Sharangovich, Yegor [RFA Rights]
NJD
  1. Petry, Jeff ($1,500,000 retained)
6.
CBJ
  1. Broz, Tristan [Reserve List]
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
  3. 2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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22$83,500,000$77,329,342$0$0$6,170,658
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
$3,250,000$3,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 7
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C
UFA - 4
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.
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Dallas, no thanks.
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
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I seriously doubt Montreal packages 3 picks in the same draft to move up 17 spots or so. Also the price to move from 31st to 14 is only like the 37th pick why are we also adding a 3rd?
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
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I see many Pens fans AGM's making this trade down with the Habs lately. Is it kind of a consensus now or is just a few of you still willing to do this?

If I'm Hughes I'm over the hill happy with it and take it in a heartbeat.
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
I see many Pens fans AGM's making this trade down with the Habs lately. Is it kind of a consensus now or is just a few of you still willing to do this?

If I'm Hughes I'm over the hill happy with it and take it in a heartbeat.


Really ? Who would you pick at 14th considering the big names are out : Bedard,Fantilli,Carlsson,Michkov,Smith,Benson,Leonard,Reinbacher,ASP,Wood,Moore,Dvorsky ?
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.
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Move the 3rd to next year or take it out....And I rather keep 31 and 37 and draft Hrabal with one of those picks
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:20 p.m.
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Habs pass. 31, col second and 23´ third has been accepted by Al,ost all fan
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:23 p.m.
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
Really ? Who would you pick at 14th considering the big names are out : Bedard,Fantilli,Carlsson,Michkov,Smith,Benson,Leonard,Reinbacher,ASP,Wood,Moore,Dvorsky ?


Nate Danielson, Tom Willander, Colby Barlow, Gabe Perreault, Andrew Cristall....
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Nate Danielson, Tom Willander, Colby Barlow, Gabe Perreault, Andrew Cristall....


Personally, I wouldn't. I would for the guys I mentioned before them, but the ones you mentioned don't have high ceilings or are too risky (Cristall)
Would rather spend 31st/37th/69th on a forward, a defenseman & a goalie
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.
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I don't
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
Personally, I wouldn't. I would for the guys I mentioned before them, but the ones you mentioned don't have high ceilings or are too risky (Cristall)
Would rather spend 31st/37th/69th on a forward, a defenseman & a goalie


MTL is getting to the point where they have so much prospect depth, that they can't simply play everyone. A goalie, sure. We're weak at that position but forward? Defense? Whose Hutson going to kick off the current roster? Where is Roy, Mesar, Kidney going to play? 4th line?

MTL needs quality high end prospects, not more quantity of prospects. Danielson and Barlow are sure things. They will be NHL'ers 100%. Will they be superstars? That's not for sure. Cristall and Perreault are risky but if they hit are star players like Caufield. Willander i admit don't know a ton about but a lot of rankings have him higher than ASP or at the very least in the convo with him. Frankly the list you mentioned is assuming that the players you mentioned aren't available. What if they are? They might be. This is not even taking into account that just because I traded for the 14th pick that I'd use it to draft a player. Could be packaged to move up in the draft, for an established player, etc etc

Lots of options with that pick. Draft, trade up, trade for roster player.
Jun. 19, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
MTL is getting to the point where they have so much prospect depth, that they can't simply play everyone. A goalie, sure. We're weak at that position but forward? Defense? Whose Hutson going to kick off the current roster? Where is Roy, Mesar, Kidney going to play? 4th line?

MTL needs quality high end prospects, not more quantity of prospects. Danielson and Barlow are sure things. They will be NHL'ers 100%. Will they be superstars? That's not for sure. Cristall and Perreault are risky but if they hit are star players like Caufield. Willander i admit don't know a ton about but a lot of rankings have him higher than ASP or at the very least in the convo with him. Frankly the list you mentioned is assuming that the players you mentioned aren't available. What if they are? They might be. This is not even taking into account that just because I traded for the 14th pick that I'd use it to draft a player. Could be packaged to move up in the draft, for an established player, etc etc

Lots of options with that pick. Draft, trade up, trade for roster player.


Hutson will need time, another year in Boston, after a year in Laval
Kidney I wouldn't be surpise he ends up like Mysak
Roy will need a year or two in Laval before considering him a NHL regular
Same for Farrell
Mesar too, back in the OHL, after goes to Laval and we will see from there how he plays

Barlow have tunnel vision, I'm not that high on him

Danielson is an Owen Beck 2.0, so he wouldn't be a bad pick, just a little bit high

Willander would be a reach but how better is he than the likes of Dragicevic/Akey/Allen etc
Jun. 19, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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Petry isnt needed at his term/salary

Rather trade Yegor for a younger dman or a pick
Jun. 19, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
Hutson will need time, another year in Boston, after a year in Laval
Kidney I wouldn't be surpise he ends up like Mysak
Roy will need a year or two in Laval before considering him a NHL regular
Same for Farrell
Mesar too, back in the OHL, after goes to Laval and we will see from there how he plays

Barlow have tunnel vision, I'm not that high on him

Danielson is an Owen Beck 2.0, so he wouldn't be a bad pick, just a little bit high

Willander would be a reach but how better is he than the likes of Dragicevic/Akey/Allen etc


Fair enough. I disagree with just about all of this. (Aside from the Habs prospects needing time, etc)

Barlow may not be a superstar but has all the traits to be a very good player non the less. He's the safe pick IMO but I don't think he's going to be a 4th line PK'er either. Guy has areas of his game he needs to work on just like Lane Hutson does. If vision is his problem, play him with a good center who has vision. His role is to forecheck and score goals which he is excellent at and doesn't require élite vision. If he had vision also, he'd be top 5 in the draft this year. Can't have everything be top end. No player does. Maybe Bedard I guess but even then he isn't great defensivly.

Nate Danielson is the one I think you are heavily down playing. Owen Beck has 3rd line center potential. Danielson has 1st/2nd line center potential. IMO. Not even close to comparable. If 2023 draft is the high end draft everyone says it is and last years draft was considerably less than this years, not sure how you can they are close. Danielson is rated anywhere from 10th to 20th in virtually every mock. Beck was late 1st round at best in last years draft, the weaker draft. Plus its not like he is breaking out in the OHL either. I like Beck as much as the next guy but I think Habs fans need to chill on Beck. He is not going to be star player. Just a very good role player.

Willander's game is wayyyyyy more rounded than every single one of those players you mentioned. Dragacevic is a forward disguised as a dman. Can't play D to save his life. All stats and no filler. Akey is a solid 2nd round pick choice, I would gladly take him but only in the 2nd round. Allen is as much of a coin toss as winning the lotto. Either hes going to make someone look smart or he is just as enigmatic as his season was and we'll all forget about him. Willander's game is sooo much better than all of those players and its not even close IMO.

As for the Habs prospects though, you are making my point. Habs need some sure things. We have so many prospects who are "maybe's". Assuming the Habs draft a forward stud with 5ov, Our top 6 is CC, Zuke, Dach, Slaf and 5ov. That leaves 1 spot for foreseeable future (Like 8 years probably) for any one of the entire systems forward prospects to fit in. Is Mesar, Farrell, etc going to be 3rd/4th liners for the Habs? Who will we take in the 31-37 ranges that will be so much ahead of those guys? All just gambles.

Defense is starting to be an issue also because we are over crowded and there are only so many spots available. Guhle, Hutson, Harris, Xhejax, Barron, Mailloux, Engstrom.... whose not playing if we add more late round D prospects that could compete for a spot?

Goaltending I'm convinced, you either draft a stud G like Askarov, Wallstedt, Cossa, etc or you take later round 3rd-7th round chances. Goalies are so hard to project. Frankly I wouldn't even bother. Draft stud FW and D first and then just trade for a stable goalie once your ready. They are so unpredictable that its such voodoo wasting a late 1st-early 2nd drafting one IMHO.
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Jun. 19, 2023 at 2:45 p.m.
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That is a very fast 3rd line. A lot of good stuff here. Only thing is I don't think Nylander can be top 6.
 
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