More than this

The value is fine in my mind if you value Hoglander at a 2nd.

To move down from 7 to 11 the Flyers will 100% expect another 1st +. The deal would probably be 7 for 11, 2024 1st, Hog. In other terms, it’s too much to move up. Teams almost never trade out of the top 10 especially in this draft.

It’s not close not only is it moving 4 spots back in a deep draft, it’s the difference between drafting Michkov and not drafting him. That’s a huge difference when he is considered the second best talent in the draft by far.

You’re going up to Philly on a full rebuild, so probably going to have to blow their doors off, Philly probably wants the hype of 7 as much as the pick. Probably have to get up to 5 Montreal, everybody else probably picking in their spot. Detroit at 9 possibly a trade back spot, or maybe Washington at 8. But 1/2/3/4 would be rather surprising and something similar at 6/7.

That's hilarious to think moving 4 spots costs that much. You're funny.

It wont cost 2 firsts + to move 4 spots. Especially when Michkov is not on the board anymore. Any team who thinks they're getting 2 firsts+ from the 10-15 range teams to move into the 7-9 range are completely out of their mind

Ya know what’s even funnier? I didn’t ask you and don’t care about ur opinion lol. This isn’t a player on an expiring contract, the flyers can ask for literally whatever they want

Based on common draft pick value charts, the Canucks 11th pick and a late second would be considered “equal value”. The proposal of Hoglander and a 3rd would be an overpayment, but given the demand to get inside the top ten I could see this working.

I can’t express enough how much I don’t care about “value charts”. The value charts don’t tell you that Danny can ask for whatever he wants because he has no obligation currently to do anything except pick 7th and anything other than that means a team has to overpay to do it. People don’t move out of the top 10 especially in a super talented draft.

Too much that it isn’t worth it. Just keep 11

buddy here thinking he's got the 1st overall LOL

Face facts, 7th -> 11th isn't as far off as you think. Especially if Michkov is not on the board at that time.

You're having a laugh if you think the ask is 11th + 24 first + more assets for the 7th. You have the 7th. Not 1, not 2, or 3. I can see 11 + 24 first + assets for 3. MAYBE 4 if Carlsson slides.

I can’t tell you how much I don’t care about what ur saying right now. And if you think that’s all that costs to get 3rd or 4th then u have no clue what ur talking about, but I already knew that anyway

In a deep draft you have the flexibility to trade down and acquire more assets because it’s a deep draft lol you can still get a very good prospect at 11, this is the time to do such a move if there ever was a time.
I’m of the mindset that the Canucks should be trading down from 11 a few spots to acquire more picks, rather than trade up.
In this instance, I believe that the offer laid out above is fair

Yeah that's definitely how to convey your opinion. Be hostile. Sorry if you got your mind on that NHL 23 grind buddy. The real world isn't a video game.

I don’t play NHL 23 and never have played the NHL video games. I’m not being hostile I just simply don’t care what u have to say

The flyers are looking to trade up to 4 or 5 not move down to 11. There has been literally nothing reported about them having any interest in moving down everything is about them moving up. They aren’t moving down and certainly not for anything any of you have offered

I think the marginal benefit of moving from 7 to 11 for Philadelphia isn't worth Hoglander and 89. The value itself might be fair, but the security of drafting a player the Flyers want outweighs the benefit of Hoglander and another bite at the apple at 89. Philadelphia has 9 picks in the top-96 over the next two years, think they would rather have higher end players than more chances at the dart board

You got it!
In 2005 SJ traded pick 12 (1st), 49 (2nd) & 207 (7th) to ATL for pick 8 (1st). I think it’s fair to assume that the trade proposed above is fair

The only way I can see it NOT being fair, is if Michkov has dropped to 7th. But no one is going to trade for the 7th if he drops to 7th, due to the fact that the other GM's will know "you want him you pay for him"