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McBain and Lemieux

Created by: seanrushton
Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 23, 2023
Published: Jun. 23, 2023
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Free Agent Signings
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3$1,000,000
8$8,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,000,000
2$3,000,000
1$4,500,000
1$775,000
2$775,000
1$775,000
Trades
1.
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  1. McBain, Jack [RFA Rights]
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McBain is a very physical player who can provide some pretty good depth scoring.
ARI
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (PHI)
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Seems like about the right return for a third liner
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  1. 2023 3rd round pick (DET)
3.
CAR
  1. DeBrincat, Alex [RFA Rights]
OTT
  1. Teräväinen, Teuvo
  2. Trikozov, Gleb [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
  4. 2025 3rd round pick (CAR)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$83,500,000$74,055,251$450,000$500,000$9,444,749
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
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$8,460,250$8,460,250
C
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RW
RFA - 1
$8,000,000$8,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$4,820,000$4,820,000
C
UFA - 7
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RW
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$839,167$839,167
C
RFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW
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$775,000$775,000
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
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UFA - 2
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$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 4
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,025,000$4,025,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
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$836,667$836,667
RD
RFA - 2
$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.
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15 months ago, the Yotes gave up the 47th OA pick for McBain. Fast forward and they're cutting bait with a 23 year old for a 3rd? I don't buy it.
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
15 months ago, the Yotes gave up the 47th OA pick for McBain. Fast forward and they're cutting bait with a 23 year old for a 3rd? I don't buy it.


Last thing coyotes need is anything mediocre, I wish this team won there vote for new barn
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
15 months ago, the Yotes gave up the 47th OA pick for McBain. Fast forward and they're cutting bait with a 23 year old for a 3rd? I don't buy it.


I mean from that perspective.... I get it... why'd they trade the 47OA for a bottom-six guy?
A third-round pick seems like much more fair market value for McBain than a 2nd
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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I would try Drury out for a third.
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.
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I don’t really see the incentive for ARI to do that but if they do sure.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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Also, you gotta fill in 3C and fix the third pair. Those are major holes in the roster and you’ve got cap and assets to fix it with.
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
I mean from that perspective.... I get it... why'd they trade the 47OA for a bottom-six guy?
A third-round pick seems like much more fair market value for McBain than a 2nd


He was coming off of a solid NCAA season, and the Yotes were flush with picks. I agree that it was probably an overpay for a guy that wasn't going to sign in Minny, but I don't think they just pack it in at this point. I'd imagine he sees more icetime in year 2 (2.25?), and they roll with that.

At some point, you've gotta stop flipping everyone for picks (IMO).
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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You're dumping Drury for a 3rd? I don't see mgmt doing that yard sale.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:24 p.m.
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You're dumping Drury for a 3rd? I don't see mgmt doing that yard sale.


I'm dumping Drury so that Pono or Rees could get some NHL time
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
He was coming off of a solid NCAA season, and the Yotes were flush with picks. I agree that it was probably an overpay for a guy that wasn't going to sign in Minny, but I don't think they just pack it in at this point. I'd imagine he sees more icetime in year 2 (2.25?), and they roll with that.

At some point, you've gotta stop flipping everyone for picks (IMO).


I don't see that happening soon (since Arizona seems like it's still tanking and Management is still a mess)... I added a couple more assets to make it worth Arizona's time in V2.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
I mean from that perspective.... I get it... why'd they trade the 47OA for a bottom-six guy?
A third-round pick seems like much more fair market value for McBain than a 2nd


Idk he's big, young, plays center, and has shown he can add scoring. Less than 30% of 2nd rounders ever play 200 NHL games and he's already 1/2 way there. Tbh it's looking like a pretty decent trade by AZ. Certainly not a "bad" move.

What is the incentive for them to just cut bait, grab a 3rd and draft someone who probabilistically speaking, is very unlikely to be as good as McBain is? Doesn't make any sense.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Wings are accepting
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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I'm dumping Drury so that Pono or Rees could get some NHL time


Understood, but no need to fire sale the guy. He's worth more in a package for a bigger piece. Need to be more shrewd here.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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Understood, but no need to fire sale the guy. He's worth more in a package for a bigger piece. Need to be more shrewd here.


Fair enough... I could've put him in the DeBrincat deal
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
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Idk he's big, young, plays center, and has shown he can add scoring. Less than 30% of 2nd rounders ever play 200 NHL games and he's already 1/2 way there. Tbh it's looking like a pretty decent trade by AZ. Certainly not a "bad" move.

What is the incentive for them to just cut bait, grab a 3rd and draft someone who probabilistically speaking, is very unlikely to be as good as McBain is? Doesn't make any sense.


"he's big, young, plays center, and has shown he can add scoring"... That and his being physical is exactly why I wanted to add him to the team... I'm sure I could've added some more (and I did in V2)
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:31 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
I mean from that perspective.... I get it... why'd they trade the 47OA for a bottom-six guy?
A third-round pick seems like much more fair market value for McBain than a 2nd


He has potential for more, he's only 23. And why would Drury be worth the same amount when he's not even a 3rd liner like McBain?

McBain is also 6'4" Power Forward, the return would probably be similar than the Jeannot one if they trade him.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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Also, you gotta fill in 3C and fix the third pair. Those are major holes in the roster and you’ve got cap and assets to fix it with.


I agree that the 3C could be fixed but that third pairing is quite solid.... Chatfield showed that he can play his offside in a decent sample size and Honka did very well in the AHL last year and he seems like he could break through into the big leagues
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Shaquille_Oatmeal
He has potential for more, he's only 23. And why would Drury be worth the same amount when he's not even a 3rd liner like McBain?

McBain is also 6'4" Power Forward, the return would probably be similar than the Jeannot one if they trade him.


What are you smoking? Tampa massively overpaid for Jeannot. Those kind of third-line power forwards are worth more in the realm of a 2nd and a pretty good prospect. So probably like a 2nd and Gleb Trikozov
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:36 p.m.
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I agree that the 3C could be fixed but that third pairing is quite solid.... Chatfield shown that he can play his offside and Honka did very well in the AHL last year


It’s a step back from this year most likely and at best it’s a high risk move that could backfire really poorly.

Chatty played well on his offside in limited minutes with a high end partner. Honka looks like a good prospect but isn’t ready for the NHL yet and asking chatty to full time move over to his offside with an inexperienced undersized dman is asking for trouble.

Especially when you have the cap space to put a bridge solution in place. It’s a win win.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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It’s a step back from this year most likely and at best it’s a high risk move that could backfire really poorly.

Chatty played well on his offside in limited minutes with a high end partner. Honka looks like a good prospect but isn’t ready for the NHL yet and asking chatty to full time move over to his offside with an inexperienced undersized dman is asking for trouble.

Especially when you have the cap space to put a bridge solution in place. It’s a win win.


That's fair... I just don't see anybody in free agency that's going to fit really well and keep up the talent except for Shayne Gostisbehere
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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What are you smoking? Tampa massively overpaid for Jeannot. Those kind of third-line power forwards are worth more in the realm of a 2nd and a pretty good prospect. So probably like a 2nd and Gleb Trikozov


Yes, Tampa overpaid, but why would the Yotes trade McBain for anything less than that when he's part of their future? Also you didn't answer the first question - Why would Drury be worth the same amount when he's not even a 3rd liner like McBain?
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
He was coming off of a solid NCAA season, and the Yotes were flush with picks. I agree that it was probably an overpay for a guy that wasn't going to sign in Minny, but I don't think they just pack it in at this point. I'd imagine he sees more icetime in year 2 (2.25?), and they roll with that.

At some point, you've gotta stop flipping everyone for picks (IMO).

Coyotes building a rather big and tough team to play against, add a reinbacher/benson in this draft, big and tough kind of all ready covered. Going to be an interesting team going forward.
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.
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That's fair... I just don't see anybody in free agency that's going to fit really well and keep up the talent except for Shayne Gostisbehere


Yeah the market isn’t great which will lead to overpayment. Guys like Soucy Mikula would be my first check in. A flier on OEL could work out really well but would want a 7D ready to step in. Guys like Seeler wouldn’t be bad and maybe some others in the trade market since that’s our preference of acquiring players. Heck, with the cap space you have I’d be fine bringing ghost back or trying to.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Shaquille_Oatmeal
Yes, Tampa overpaid, but why would the Yotes trade McBain for anything less than that when he's part of their future? Also you didn't answer the first question - Why would Drury be worth the same amount when he's not even a 3rd liner like McBain?


It might have to do with the fact that McBain is playing third-line minutes because of the horrible depth in front of him and Drury would probably be in the same spot if he was on the Coyotes. The Coyotes are still in a rebuild and could use the future assets that would fit more in line with the timeline of their future core. McBain will probably be 28 or 29 by the time that they are good again
Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.
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Yeah the market isn’t great which will lead to overpayment. Guys like Soucy Mikula would be my first check in. A flier on OEL could work out really well but would want a 7D ready to step in. Guys like Seeler wouldn’t be bad and maybe some others in the trade market since that’s our preference of acquiring players. Heck, with the cap space you have I’d be fine bringing ghost back or trying to.


If we're bringing back Ghost for one year at a massive overpayment... I'm fine with that because of all of the cap space we have this year and how bad the market is... If it gets longer then that then I might get concerned
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