It's a realistic return for Lindholm.

I would accept I think.

Carolina pay basically 2 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd for a guy they didn't like when they moved him away in the first place... Lindholm may be the most overrated player in the league right now. He's absolutely fine defensively, but he's a 50-60 point guy and he cannot carry his own line. I would not move Kotkaniemi for him straight up because KK has shown flashes of straight up being better. Plus, Kotkaniemi is just as good if not better defensively.

That's really high for Graves. Severson got less and is a RD, which are more valuable. Look about 5.5-5.75 for Graves.

Lindholm didn't have the chance to grow into the player he is today because the #1C role was deservedly taken by Aho. He's literally been a #1 PPG center. But when you of all people says "flashes of brilliance" for a CANEs player...that means he's NOT already brilliant and could still be a #3C because once you start saying perennial Hart candidate...thats when I know there will be a #2C potential with KK.

It's a very similar trade as the 1st Lindholm trade. Hammy, for players not getting full ice time. You can't trade KK as if he's guaranteed to follow Lindholm. No GM does that. There's risk he never becomes Lindholm 2.0, but there's potential with the right development and ice time thay maybe one day he can. That's all a maybe. Lindholm has done it.

As for Graves...I'm open to adjust. He's 100% better than Gavrikov though. So the floor is $6M

I hope they say no because this isn’t a good deal for the hurricanes. Then we waste all of our cap on Graves and a bunch of 4th liners

In what way? Lindholm is obviously the best player. Part of the trade is assumed there's a deal in place both the team and he would accept so it's not like he'll get a bloated contract.

The 1st? AH?

Lindholm is going to get paid big money until he is 37 and he is only a 2C. But he’ll get paid like a 1C because he centered 2 100 point wingers for a season.

A ton to acquire, getting paid a ton, then not providing a ton and declining most of the deal.

No thanks on the Lindholm deal. If CGY interested and canes want to extend him it would be mainly a futures deal. KK contract is too good to pass up. His floor is a high end 3C and he’s grown into a low end 2C during second half of last season. Not arguing he’s better than lindholm, but contracts matter too.

Pass on Graves. I’d rather save that money for pesce. Not a huge fan of the depth moves. Need to improve the third line.

Well the contract portion is already assumed that it's something the team would accept. I'm not sure what a ton even means if you're working out a long term deal today and the cap is supposed to go up ALOT the next few years. Seems like a smart Tlusty move to sign a guy long term THIS offseason.

Lindholm's lowest point total in his career (full NHL seasons) is 39 points. KK's career high thus far is 43. I just don't understand how the "flashes" of brilliance stops CAR from getting a 200' #2C on a reasonable contract. He's even played tbe #1C for years AND he'll have some pretty good wingers in CAR too. CGY isn't the only team with wingers.

Contracts do matter. I 100% agree with you in that. Well see the KK. CAR will have to commit to him that he'll get #2C minutes and I'm afraid the team in general is too good to honor commitment. Flashes of brilliance is a term I agree with, but Flashes doesn't win cups. Consistency at the #2C spot is a requirement. I'm afraid he'll get bumped down and never truly develop into that role. If CAR were a retooling ir rebuilding team...I can see that top end more likely coming to fruition.

I just don't know what's truly stopping the extention for Pesce today. They just gotta get it done.

This summer will be telling. Second half of the season he was consistent and was on a 55ish point pace (this was over a 50 game stretch I believe). That’s not high end 2C but with his 2 way play I’d be comfortable with that. Also assume we’ll further improve the wingers in top 9 this year and spend some money there which should help his numbers increase even more.

It’s a risk but they seem committed to him and I think he’s proven it’s paying off after a slow 25 game start last year.

Lindholm, despite his selke votes, has some very meh defensive metrics. Looking over his offensive stuff, he plays a lot more like Necas, with less turnovers, than someone we need. Either way, luckily Colorado or Columbus will overpay to take on Lindholm so, all of this is moot.

I would love to bring Lindy back, but moving KK to bring Lindholm back is a very unwise move. Lindholm is a glorified 2C, who is over reliant on his wingers for his offense. KK is 22, signed long term to a very friendly deal, and is continuing to grow offensively and defensively. Not to mention, contracts also play a part in things. No matter how you look at it, Lindholm is not worth the 8+ mil people seem to think he is. Just because Horvat, and likely PLD soon, got overpaid, doesnt mean Lindholm should. The going rate for defense first centers, like Lindholm, ranges from about 4.8-6.75mil. Guys like Cirelli, KK, Backlund, J. Staal (6mil AAV over 10 years is 6.25mil over 8), and even JGP fall within that range. If Lindholm is asking for 7.5 or more, the trade doesn’t need to happen. There are other middle 6 2-way C options out there, like Backlund and JGP.