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Created by: mesteur
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 11, 2023
Published: Jul. 11, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
1$800,000
Trades
1.
PIT
    Futur Consideration, to any team
    ANA
    1. DeSmith, Casey
    2. 2024 7th round pick (NYR)
    2.
    PIT
    1. Barabanov, Alexander
    2. Karlsson, Erik ($4,500,000 retained)
    Additional Details:
    3rd team retain 1M, gets Blomqvist + 5th
    SJS
    1. Blomqvist, Joel
    2. Petry, Jeff
    3. Puustinen, Valtteri
    4. Smith, Ty
    5. 2024 1st round pick (PIT)
    6. 2025 1st round pick (PIT)
    7. 2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
    8. 2026 5th round pick (PIT)
    3.
    PIT
      To any team if possible, Buyout if not.
      CHI
      1. Granlund, Mikael
      2. 2026 3rd round pick (PIT)
      Buyouts
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2024
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      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      2025
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      2026
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      Logo of the PIT
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$83,500,000$80,130,175$0$0$3,369,825
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $4,500,000$4,500,000
      LW, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $8,700,000$8,700,000
      C
      NMC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      RW, LW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      LW, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $6,100,000$6,100,000
      C
      NMC
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $5,125,000$5,125,000
      RW, LW
      NMC
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $2,500,000$2,500,000
      RW, LW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $2,000,000$2,000,000
      C, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $775,000$775,000
      RW, LW
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $900,000$900,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $2,450,000$2,450,000
      C
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $3,125,000$3,125,000
      RW, C
      NMC
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $800,000$800,000
      LW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $863,333$863,333
      C, LW
      RFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $4,500,000$4,500,000
      LD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 6
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $6,100,000$6,100,000
      RD
      NMC
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $5,375,000$5,375,000
      G
      M-NTC
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $4,025,175$4,025,175
      LD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $5,500,000$5,500,000
      RD
      NMC
      UFA - 4
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $1,500,000$1,500,000
      G
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $825,000$825,000
      LD
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $2,750,000$2,750,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $800,000$800,000
      RD
      UFA - 1

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      Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:53 a.m.
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      Lucky that you aren't our gm. You destroy our future for an old defender who requested a trade, nice.
      Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m.
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      Need to add a 2nd to that 3rd, otherwise you will need to buyout Granlund. Rebuilding teams (the one's with the cap space to take on full Granlund) are not taking on 11 million in salary commitments for 3rd round picks 3 drafts out.
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      Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:57 a.m.
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      Snowhawk
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      Quoting: wojohawk
      Need to add a 2nd to that 3rd, otherwise you will need to buyout Granlund. Rebuilding teams (the one's with the cap space to take on full Granlund) are not taking on 11 million in salary commitments for 3rd round picks 3 drafts out.


      I would argue that the price to move Granlund and his two remaining years as a cap dump STARTS with a 1st. If you can find a team that actually needs a centre and thinks he can help them then the price may be less. The problem is most competitive teams are capped out, so the Penguins would need to take a contract back.
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      Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:59 a.m.
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      Quoting: Fabi
      Lucky that you aren't our gm. You destroy our future for an old defender who requested a trade, nice.


      Oh no not our future mid+ first round career middle six for the Norris winner ! frown
      Jul. 11, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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      Quoting: Snowhawk18
      I would argue that the price to move Granlund and his two remaining years as a cap dump STARTS with a 1st. If you can find a team that actually needs a centre and thinks he can help them then the price may be less. The problem is most competitive teams are capped out, so the Penguins would need to take a contract back.


      Genuine question. Can you find an example in the last 5-6 years of a team paying a first to move a player like Granlund?
      Jul. 11, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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      pens1991
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      I don't think Petry waives for SJS, and I don't think a third team is interested in 4 years of retention, honestly think that's part of the hold up in this deal for both CAR and PIT
      Jul. 11, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.
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      Quoting: pens1991
      Genuine question. Can you find an example in the last 5-6 years of a team paying a first to move a player like Granlund?


      not sure if this answers the question but here's cap dump examples summed up in a athetlic article. He probably can get moved for less

      1 year left
      SITUATION CAP HIT AND TERM PRICE PAID
      CGY dumps Sean Monahan $6M x1 2025 1st
      TOR dumps Patrick Marleau $6M x 1 2020 1st
      NYR dump Marc Staal $5.7M x 1 2021 2nd
      FLA dump Anton Stralman $5.5M x 1 2024 2nd, Vladislav Kolyachonok
      OTT dump Nikita Zaitsev $4.5M x 1 2023 2nd, 2026 4th round pick

      multiple years left
      SITUATION CAP HIT AND TERM PRICE PAID
      NYI dumps Andrew Ladd $5.5M x 2 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd
      PHI dumps Shayne Gostisbehere $4.5M x 2 2022 2nd, 2022 7th
      TOR dumps Petr Mrazek $3.8M x 2 Trade down (No.25 to No.38)
      EDM dumps Zack Kassian $3.2M x 2 2025 2nd, 2024 3rd, trade down (No.29 to No.32)
      VAN dumps Jason Dickinson $2.65M x 2 2024 2nd
      NYR dump Patrik Nemeth $2.5M x 2 2024 2nd, 2026 2nd OR 2024 3rd
      Jul. 11, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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      pens1991
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      Quoting: poeticentropy
      not sure if this answers the question but here's cap dump examples summed up in a athetlic article. He probably can get moved for less

      1 year left
      SITUATION CAP HIT AND TERM PRICE PAID
      CGY dumps Sean Monahan $6M x1 2025 1st
      TOR dumps Patrick Marleau $6M x 1 2020 1st
      NYR dump Marc Staal $5.7M x 1 2021 2nd
      FLA dump Anton Stralman $5.5M x 1 2024 2nd, Vladislav Kolyachonok
      OTT dump Nikita Zaitsev $4.5M x 1 2023 2nd, 2026 4th round pick

      multiple years left
      SITUATION CAP HIT AND TERM PRICE PAID
      NYI dumps Andrew Ladd $5.5M x 2 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd
      PHI dumps Shayne Gostisbehere $4.5M x 2 2022 2nd, 2022 7th
      TOR dumps Petr Mrazek $3.8M x 2 Trade down (No.25 to No.38)
      EDM dumps Zack Kassian $3.2M x 2 2025 2nd, 2024 3rd, trade down (No.29 to No.32)
      VAN dumps Jason Dickinson $2.65M x 2 2024 2nd
      NYR dump Patrik Nemeth $2.5M x 2 2024 2nd, 2026 2nd OR 2024 3rd



      Thank for sharing, this is actually helpful and interesting to see. I was legit curious cause I couldn't think of any to be honest.

      I think a 1st to move Granlund is definitely way too much after seeing some of these. Marleau was 39 and making $6M so the 1st makes sense just given his age and AAV. Monahan also makes sense as he fell off hard and had a hip injury.

      I know Granlund has declined a bit but only 31 and has basically stayed healthy the majority of his NHL career, so to me there is zero reason he costs a 1st. Yes he's a cap dump, but it's not as though he's unplayable.
       
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