As a neutral fan in this argument, I have seen Devils fans offering literal garbage, so I know why Jets fans would be irritated, but I still see no realistic world where Holtz and a First are both included in the same deal for a goalie. It's either Holtz with a 2nd or a 1st with a prospect down a tier like Stillman. A negotiation requires both sides to budge, and if the Jets won't budge i don't think the market to sell him will be there. Not enough teams are forming a big line to get a goalie.

couldnt have said better myself.

I completely agree. I think the actual deal comes down to something a bit less than I said, as it always is in a deal.

As I said, I would probably take vanacek, holtz, a 2nd, and a mid round pick/prospect.

He'll wait

Plenty of Devs fans much more realistic (along your idea) then most Jets fans. This post is a perfect example of that. We trust Fitzy will do the right thing.

Precedent says that prospects as good as Holtz don't get moved for goalies. If Holtz were to be in the trade, it would be one for one.

1st, top prospect, and quality starter for a 31 year old rental goalie (extension on UFA players isn't a real value thing no matter how much you want it to be)

I just don't see Hellebuyck getting the return most Jets fans seem to think he's worth or want for him, sure he's a Vezina winner and finalist but he's also been a first round exit more often then not plus are GMs not looking at recent cup winners and thinking that maybe they can win with a less then household name goalie.

Add those factors to a small market for goalies, his ridiculous contract want and league wide cap crunch you'd think it will lower the return for Hellebuyck should he be traded which hopefully he will be, Jets need to NOT sign him to his next deal unless it's a sign and trade.