Chicago most likely needs another second rounder. SJS will need a bit more as well.

So I'm assuming the reason Petry says yes to CHI is because he wants to stay around that area of the US and Bedard? Petry has no problem playing for a rebuilding team?

Man, imagine taking on Petry for $8M for 2 years and then another $1.75M for no one for 2 more years. That's awful. How many 1sts you sending to the Hawks for that? All of them is the correct answer.

Why? the Hawks are rebuilding and won't be close to being competitive for another 3-4 years even with Bedard, and will need some form of cap to hit the floor with 19 and 88 now off the books. For example, the Edmonton Oilers with McDavid didn't start routinely becoming contenders til year 4 of McDavid (made playoffs year 2 because McDavid was insane and Talbot stood on his head for 73 games in the reg. season), but I would place Chi on the same path as them especially if they can get someone to be what Draisaitl is like for McDavid with Bedard. For that they may eat some salary, but I wouldn't say it costs more than one 1st and one 2nd to entice it. Before saying they don't need help to hit the floor, this year they don't but in looking at their roster I doubt Perry, Foligno Zaitsev, Mrazek, or Tinordi resign after this season only UFA that may return is Johnson and that's a maybe, so after this year cap is going up and you have 20 million to replace that 8 million they take on helps a decent amount.

The really big problem Chicago is going to face is that Seth Jones contract when it comes time to sign Bedard to his big boi contract.

The problem with Chicago or any 3rd team retaining is that I doubt any team wants to retain and have dead cap for 4 years. So I think it’s safe to say giving Chicago Petry would work, but I can’t see them wanting dead cap for 4 years when they are going to have to get a 2nd contract for Bedard. And that won’t be cheap if he lives up to anywhere close to expectation.

Why do the Hawks want to pay Petry $6m to play 13 or 14 minutes a night on their 3rd pair for the next two years? Jones and Murphy are entrenched at 1RD and 2RD. Hawks will take him if they are properly compensated, but a 2nd and a 3rd at best covers taking Petry OR the 4 years of retention on EK65. Nowhere close to covering both.

I mean I'm not arguing that it will cost more than a 2nd and 3rd, but I think an unprotected 1st and a second gets it done from the 2025 because the Pens I don't think will be good in 24-25.

In addition to the above of it being 2025 1st and 2025 2nd, the value that Petry would bring is he is a better option to QB PP1 than Murphy or Jones. Jones with 12 Powerplay points and Petry had 11 powerplay points mainly working as the QB to PP2 (played only like 15 or so games on PP1 w/ Letang out)

I guess I was being a bit sarcastic vs seriously getting into the details when I said "all of them". I would more seriously consider a 1st and 2nd yes. I didn't think going from a 2nd/3rd up to adding a 1st would be in the cards for this conversation. There is a combination of smaller things adding up make this a tough trade.

I don't mind Petry as much as I think he's already a bit overpaid at $6.25M. He's better than Zaitsev that's for sure. But I don't think he sniffs the #1PP like you're hypothesizing. The PP wasn't a problem because of Seth Jones. They had a bad team and their only true goal scorers were Debrincat/Kubalik aka gone. Kaner CAN score, but he's more of a playmaker and the entire PK was just focused on 1 guy. Paying Petry to be a 3rd pair Dman is tough at that rate. The 2nd year is tough too because there are LOTS of good players available next year and Kyle can start to build his team.

The retention is tough. The Hawks could make it work. The issue is that Kyle Davidson's come out and said in one of his interviews that he was shying away from a 3rd year of dead cap/retention and now we're talking about 4 years.

For a 1st and 2nd...I would more seriously consider.

Trust me EK having 4 years left at that hit is a problem for any team that decides to attempt to bring him in. The good news is here it would be 1.75 and Cap is supposed to be on the rise the next four years to where that would be minimal.

As far as Petry's deployment on ice if he were to be traded to Hawks he can give suitable PK defense and slightly above average offensive output on the backend. Is he worth his 6.275 hit? Not in the slightest. He'd probably fetch about 4.5-5 mil open market currently. What the Pens could do and still possibly only give the 2nd and 3rd and maybe like a 2024 4th to Chitown would be retain that 1.75 for the two years on Petry and then the 2nd/ 3rd would be for the 2 years of Karlsson's "dead cap". So in essence Blackhawks get Petry for his effective cap hit and the 4th (just have to pay his cap for 2 years livable given team status) and can then move Zaitsev who is not resigning (nor should Hawks consider resigning).

I think I worded that correctly to make sense.

Pittsburgh joins the party in needing more also.

Jones is QB1 on the Hawks top power play. He's not being replaced anytime soon. Petry isn't a better option. I'd argue that the Pens 2nd PP unit was probably as good as the Hawks 1st unit was last season, especially after the TDL with no Kane or Domi. The Hawks PP has been dismal the past two seasons.