How many more wins did the Leafs have than Tampa this past post season? I'd rather see a confident player go out in flames than a timid choke job.

Cirelli and Hagel good. Jeannot, Cernak, we'll see after this season. Sergachev, Point, Kucherov Vasy Paul deals good. Stamkos is gonna depend, JBB has not had a good run retain the aging vets. Hopefully he doesn't lowball stammer too much.

Yeah, that timid 4-1 choke was really bad... And to answer your question: 166% more win than Tampa

I feel like the first couple years it will be an overpay but i think he will grow into the contract

Hope you didn't celebrate winning nothing too hard.

Motherf*cker a 1st liner on our team, 24, Good to great offense and good to great defense, and plays really well with Point and Kucherov, yet he should be paid like a mediocre 3rd liner especially when the cap is projected to go up 3-4 Million next season?

Yeah okay

Oh I didn't... I just loved watching game 4 and his interview

Classic Tampa. Signs guys to huge 8 year contracts. I'd say it's a No.

What is this deal? IMO, Hagel is not worth this money much less the term. This is gonna be a monster of a trade to make in 2 years when Tampa wakes up

Josh Anderson approves this deal... now his contract doesn't look so bad.

This would be like if we signed Bunting to 8x6.5M last year

This is too much for him. Given Tampa’s cap situation, every dollar counts. Saw him getting max 6.25 aav for 7 years.

Well if you think Cirelli and Hagel are good, but it cost you Stamkos, is it good?

Eh I liked the Lightning, always a fan of St. Louis so I don't mind... also they've been good way longer than those years, they went to the Cup final in 15, the ECF in 17 and 18, and had the best regular season ever in 19...

I mean, dude... you're talking all hall of famers here and I was talking depth pieces. Notice I didn't bring up Sergachev, Point, Kucherov, Hedman, or Vasy

Not comparable pieces at all

Yea I don't know what you're talking about I understand how things work but I am also not convinced Hagel is worth 6.5 for 8 years or that Cirelli was worth his deal either. He's young but he's also a 44 point ceiling player who has never hit 20 goals. He isn't even a face off ace or anything.... I look at that roster and if he doesn't improve that doesn't look worth it at all.

That's why I asked how do you feel about it as a Lightning fan, to have such a long term deal to a depth player who has a low ceiling.

You can say the cap will go up all you want but realistically, it's gone up like 2M in 5 years. We don't know what it'll do. Maybe I'm wrong about Cirelli but I've never watched him and thought much of him.

Why's it costing Stamkos? He'll sign a 7*8 deal or something like that and they're golden.

No this is going to be a great signing and I'm eating my words I thought it was a massive overpay to get him .I was wrong

Question 1) I'm sure he does see the 1/2 dozen or so signings not named Hagel this off season observation skills leave a bit in question
2)f*** Yes awesome deals .
3) I'll also call your mathematics skills into questions because no there's plenty there.

So you mean 1 second round game win in 20 years compared to 3 Stanley Cups 2 more Cup Final appearances 3 more conference final appearance's in that same time frame

I kinda like the deal to be honest. its a small sample size but 25 goals followed by 30 goals isnt nothing. The continuing problem is where are the lightning going to find the cap space? or next year is stamkos just gone?

No, the one where the other team had the multi goal lead and the Leafs took it back so everyone who cheered for them can mock a new franchise for once

Well, i'm not saying it def will, but it could, depending on the kind of money he ends up wanting, and how much the cap actually increases. I did just really look at it though and it doesn't look as tight as I thought it was

I wouldn't say plenty but there might be enough, depending on what he wants and how much the cap goes up.

As of now, with this extension taking up 5 more next year, there's enough to sign him for about how much he already makes and then to let go of every other cheap depth piece thats currently signed. SInce they're all on cheap deals that expire next year thats gotta be his plan anyway.

But yea if he has a great season and wants to cash in one last time... no room without a trade.

I don't watch enough TB to know about signing all these depth pieces to long term deals for big money but I've seen it come back to haunt a bunch of other teams before. Now of course, these guys have won and he's built a bigger core out so it's a different blue print, but to call them awesome deals this early you must really love the players.

Fair enough.

I just looked and there's like over 70 people who think this is a bad deal so you're def biased a little bit. You never know how players are going to react after they get the big time bag either. Wish him the best, skeptical on the term and overall value