I think trading him with retention to New Jersey is the most interesting scenario. If Vanecek goes back the other way, depending on what the retention is that move could end up saving cap space for the Devils. Also the team that I think should be going the hardest for a goaltending upgrade, given it looks like their window is about to be wide open soon

Not sure Ullmark would be the guy for NJ…maybe Swayman.

Skinner has already taken the reins in Edmonton. If they were to move Campbell they would replace him with a veteran 1B making less money, not another starter.

I don't disagree. I think they either make a move for someone proven long term or ride out letting Schmid or Daws develop into that player. That said I'm just trying to gauge his value to each team as reach team would value him differently.

Devils are going with Vaneschmid this year. Would be something for summer 2024 if at all.

Well no way the Jets do that or that Ullmark would waive either.

Ullmark makes the most sense for LA imo, obviously there'd need to be some piece(s) going out from LA to make the cap work but the team that needs a goalie upgrade the most is the Kings.

Yes I know the Jets don't do that exact trade posted. I'm trying to gauge the value to the Jets of an Ullmark trade as was stated multiple times. Hellebuyck isn't part of the trade just there to show he's being traded from the Jets.

Yes I know. That's why in the description I'm asking for value at the deadline or next offseason.

Kings won't trade a 1st for a goaltender.

They don't have the cap space to make Ullmark fit before the season. The Kings aren't interested in the frequently created "Danault for Ullmark" swap.

The only way this would work is if it happened at the deadline. However, if Ullmark is playing well enough to warrant a return like this, the Bruins won't want to trade him. If not, the Kings won't want to trade for him.

I don't see any way Ullmark to LA will happen before next summer.

In the description its stated this would be at the deadline or next offseason. Reasoning for Ullmark getting traded is irrelevant. The needs of Boston are irrelevant. I'm literally just trying to gauge value to each of these teams. I also understand that there would need to be money coming back but I know very well that a team isn't going to create a hole to fill another one of possible. Danault wasn't even a thought for me. It's also why I asked for value with full retention.

Not convinced I'd pay a 1st for Ullmark, especially with Vanecek included

I would agree Skinner has taken the reigns, but wouldn't it be better if they had a good 1-2 punch in net? The free agent market next offseason is not very good. After Hellebuyck the best 2-3 options likely stay with their teams. What if Skinner gets hurt in or before the playoffs cause they are playing him 55+ games. Are you going to rely on Scott Wedgewood or similar to carry your team through the playoffs?

Assuming Ullmark is playing like he did last season and the Bruins are willing to trade him anyway, I can see the Kings giving up a 2nd and a prospect for him. For 50% retention, they'd probably throw in another draft pick.

Next summer, it would be a 2nd for Ullmark without retention, or a two 2nds (or a prospect equivalent) for Ullmark with 50% retention.

Yes that's why I'm asking what the value is......

Yes I read the description, thing is I think that IF Hellebuyck is traded its likely to a team he's extending with and the Jets are probably getting their goalie back like you've done here but it won't be Boston since they have Swayman and Bussi.

A separate trade where Helle goes to say NJ and the Jets acquire Ullmark seems very unlikely, even moreso considering Chevy's track record and Ullmark isn't waiving for Winnipeg either.

Some kind of Hellebuyck to NJ with Vanacek coming back to the Jets is what seems most likely to happen but there just isn't much of a market for Hellebuyck so he likely isn't getting traded.

Honestly I hate to say it but I think there's an awful Hellebuyck extension with the Jets coming soon... 🤮

As for Ullmark like I said I think he makes the most sense for LA, I know their fans here say I otherwise but it makes sense for them, ain't going anywhere with Talbot/Copley.
Helle makes sense for LA too but like I said I think he's staying in Winnipeg... 😐

Thanks for the input, this is what I'm going for right here.

Would Pinelli be on the table as a second round pick equivalent? Or do you think they would prefer keep him and pay with draft capital?

And I answered your question. I'm not convinced he's worth a 1st. Beyond that idk

Right now I would say no, but it depends on what Turcotte does this season. If Turcotte can stay healthy and turn into the player they expected, then Pinelli might become expendable. However, as it stands Pinelli is the top rated center prospect for the Kings.

I mean, nobody carries 2 starters in case of injury. Dallas has Wedgewood as backup, Colorado has Francouz, Tampa has Johansson, Jersey has Schmid. Hardly a world-class group.

We'll see, but Rodrigue is looking pretty good in the minors. He could step in if injuries strike. Pickard is the G veteran in the minors. He has a career .903 in the NHL, so he could pick up a few games here and there too.

Also, Campbell's playoff record is MILES better than Ullmark's. So I don't see a fit here.

I think holland is married to the current tandem. Will take a lot to go wrong to be in any conversation involving Ullmark. Next off-season that could change dramatically.

Yeah I'd have to agree with you there, I don't have faith in Ullmark. I'm relatively confident Ullmark is an average goalie who had an outastanding season on an outstanding team. Swayman would be a piece moving forward and solve a lot of problems.

If you retain this year and next year, his value should be high. 2 years 5m for a Vezina award winner is a god thing even if it is a short bridge deal.

That said, I’d rather trade him without retention and keep the cap room than pay for the incremental return. I realize his age and contract status will be used as a negative in the equation, but they should be able to get a good return (probably not a first)

Even if it means you take a good prospect instead of a pick and take a salary back to balance it out.